Administrative Technicals

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I will say it to you this way. If that happens, a lot of people dropped the ball. For one if not one, but two players came into the game and we go several minutes without knowing a player's numbers or information is not listed, we have bigger issues. Then those two players happened to commit a double foul, then we have figure out what to do? I am sorry, but that is unlikely where I live for a lot of reasons. For one it is common that both teams keep track of their own books. So someone would be screaming that we have to give a T for one or the other. There would have to be a huge breakdown for this to even happen. But I guess some people on this site have to worry about things. Whatever happen with calling basic fouls and violations? There are officials and coaches cannot understand that fact, but worry about these unusual situations that if they happen will be a first.

Peace

The likelihood is not in question here; the proper ruling is. Frankly, it would be easy for me. No shots, POI. I'm not going to fuss over timing and ask, "Ok, but which one was discovered first?"

They're changing the book at the same time (which is what the T is for), the techs will offset.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

The likelihood is not in question here; the proper ruling is. Frankly, it would be easy for me. No shots, POI. I'm not going to fuss over timing and ask, "Ok, but which one was discovered first?"

They're changing the book at the same time (which is what the T is for), the techs will offset.

I think the likelihood is in question. At least it would be for me, because I would rather deal with situations that are common and likely. And so much can be done to even prevent this from being an issue as I have and do often go to each coach and ask them to verify the information. And if there are fewer kids in the book ask the coach to explain why so that we do not have an issue later.

And not everyone has been in unison on this issue has some have said to ignore the foul all together and move on. I just think these kinds of discussions get away from basic stuff that a lot of officials cannot get right, but we worry about once in a career situations.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think the likelihood is in question. At least it would be for me, because I would rather deal with situations that are common and likely. And so much can be done to even prevent this from being an issue as I have and do often go to each coach and ask them to verify the information. And if there are fewer kids in the book ask the coach to explain why so that we do not have an issue later.

And not everyone has been in unison on this issue has some have said to ignore the foul all together and move on. I just think these kinds of discussions get away from basic stuff that a lot of officials cannot get right, but we worry about once in a career situations.

Peace

1. I agree, this could have been prevented by counting the players in the book and on the court (most likely).
2. I agree, it's likelihood is low (we all agree, thus it's not really in question).
3. If you would rather deal with other situations, just bow out of this discussion. Your involvement is welcome, but not required.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

1. I agree, this could have been prevented by counting the players in the book and on the court (most likely).
2. I agree, it's likelihood is low (we all agree, thus it's not really in question).
3. If you would rather deal with other situations, just bow out of this discussion. Your involvement is welcome, but not required.

I answered the question I thought was relevant to this discussion and the OP.

Peace

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Adam

1. I agree, this could have been prevented by counting the players in the book and on the court (most likely).
2. I agree, it's likelihood is low (we all agree, thus it's not really in question).
3. If you would rather deal with other situations, just bow out of this discussion. Your involvement is welcome, but not required.

In our area...sometimes #1 is not reliable in the second game of a JV/V doubleheader where you have a player that plays on both teams and comes onto the court late during the warmup or into the first quarter.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Adam

The likelihood is not in question here; the proper ruling is. Frankly, it would be easy for me. No shots, POI. I'm not going to fuss over timing and ask, "Ok, but which one was discovered first?"

They're changing the book at the same time (which is what the T is for), the techs will offset.

Wouldn't each team get to shoot their technical free throws, then go yo POI.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Wouldn't each team get to shoot their technical free throws, then go yo POI.

No - free throws are not awarded on simultaneous technical fouls where the penalties offset.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

No - free throws are not awarded on simultaneous technical fouls where the penalties offset.

You are still not showing rules support for this position.

Peace

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are still not showing rules support for this position.

Peace

Good lord JRut. Are you seriously going to shoot TFT on both ends because of a double foul and both players aren't in the book! And because the scorekeeper realizes that neither players are in the book. You decide to do 2 TF not at the same time. Whack A! Whack B! A because we noticed that you weren't in the book first B will shoot then A is going to shoot and then we are going to give the ball at the division line to B which isn't at all a disadvantage to you because we saw your error first. And this definitely did not happen at approximately the same time. So let's just hold up the game and shoot some FTs and give possession to B, even though you, A, had the ball before the double foul. Nope not an unfair disadvantage at all, A. Good hell, double foul, double team tech, POI. Play ball. Close the thread.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Good lord JRut. Are you seriously going to shoot TFT on both ends because of a double foul and both players aren't in the book! And because the scorekeeper realizes that neither players are in the book. You decide to do 2 TF not at the same time. Whack A! Whack B! A because we noticed that you weren't in the book first B will shoot then A is going to shoot and then we are going to give the ball at the division line to B which isn't at all a disadvantage to you because we saw your error first. And this definitely did not happen at approximately the same time. So let's just hold up the game and shoot some FTs and give possession to B, even though you, A, had the ball before the double foul. Nope not an unfair disadvantage at all, A. Good hell, double foul, double team tech, POI. Play ball. Close the thread.

I think JRut's still stuck on the OP, not the double personal foul, which resulted in simultaneous T's, which, by rule, no free throws, POI.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are still not showing rules support for this position.

Peace

They have, you disagree. We get it.

This horse is dead.