3 Seconds

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

While there may be no advantage component in the rule, I don't know of anyone that wants 3 seconds called strictly by the rule. You should, however, be talking the players out of the lane. If they don't listen, go ahead and get one or two early.

There has been more emphasis lately, at least in these parts, for officials to stop talking to players and just blow the whistle. Directives coming from higher ups ...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

There has been more emphasis lately, at least in these parts, for officials to stop talking to players and just blow the whistle. Directives coming from higher ups ...

Frankly, I can go either way. I've got no personal preference, anyway. What we're doing works for us (in that there really aren't a lot of players hanging out in the lane anyway), but if *they* decided we should just start blowing the whistle and stop talking, I'd do it.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

There has been more emphasis lately, at least in these parts, for officials to stop talking to players and just blow the whistle. Directives coming from higher ups ...

It's the opposite here.

[BatteryPowered]

I was taught in this neck of the woods to call it when we get to three. Of course, we were also taught to count...1..................................2...... ...........2 1/3..............................2 2/3...

Seriously, we were told if the player wants to basically take himself/herself out of the offense not to be quick with the violation at first. Now, if the suddenly get an easy bucket or rebound after being cautioned stick them with the violation at the next opportunity. Maybe I have just been lucky but I usually just reminding them to watch the paint during the first quarter works. I guess they know I/we are noticing and trying not to interupt the flow of the game.

[Rich]

Perhaps I'm just lucky. I've called one in 10+ games and I've only had one coach complain about this -- and he just didn't get that a player can stay in the lane as long as he likes while the ball is in the backcourt.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

Maybe I have just been lucky but I usually just reminding them to watch the paint during the first quarter works. I guess they know I/we are noticing and trying not to interupt the flow of the game.

I realize I might get flack for this from the everything by-the-book, letter-for-letter guys, but this is what I've always done too. And although advantage/disadvantage doesn't technically apply, I still use it. If a kid has his foot just inside the lane line on the weak side, and has no effect on the play, I would be hard-pressed to call that. The game is smoother and more enjoyable for the officials, players, coaches and fans when you can get some sort of flow.

Now, as soon as they clearly DO gain an advantage, game over.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by frezer11

If a kid has his foot just inside the lane line on the weak side, and has no effect on the play...

IMHO, this is a perfect time for the "Get out of the lane, 34." You don't, at the moment he's violating, know that this positioning will not end up being advantageous. Obviously, it's not yet... and I get that you say you'd whack him when it becomes an advantage.

But do you whack him at the moment a shot is released and he's been doing this for 5 seconds? No ... probably not - yet NOW he's developed a rebounding advantage from being allowed to park there.

I'm fine with not whistling 3 seconds on the weak side - but is still should be addressed.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

IMHO, this is a perfect time for the "Get out of the lane, 34." You don't, at the moment he's violating, know that this positioning will not end up being advantageous. Obviously, it's not yet... and I get that you say you'd whack him when it becomes an advantage.

But do you whack him at the moment a shot is released and he's been doing this for 5 seconds? No ... probably not - yet NOW he's developed a rebounding advantage from being allowed to park there.

I'm fine with not whistling 3 seconds on the weak side - but is still should be addressed.

I agree completely, and I do give them the "Get out" statement when I see it. And as far as the rebounding position is concerned, you're right, no one likely calls 3 seconds as the shot is going up, and if he does get a rebound, or even impacts how the rebound is made, whehter his team ends up with it or not, then his "Free Pass" so to speak ends, and it is penalized fairly strictly the next time down the court. And just a quick disclaimer, all of this is assuming we are with a foot in on the weak side. In my opinion, if you are on the strong side, even a foot in is an advantage, so a normal 3 second count would be penalized.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Now, as soon as they clearly DO gain an advantage, game over.

Wow, you're strict!! Advantage in the lane results in a forfeit!!

[Andy]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I was taught in this neck of the woods to call it when we get to three. Of course, we were also taught to count...1..................................2...... ...........2 1/3..............................2 2/3...

Seriously, we were told if the player wants to basically take himself/herself out of the offense not to be quick with the violation at first. Now, if the suddenly get an easy bucket or rebound after being cautioned stick them with the violation at the next opportunity. Maybe I have just been lucky but I usually just reminding them to watch the paint during the first quarter works. I guess they know I/we are noticing and trying not to interupt the flow of the game.

This goes with my teaching as well...but like this....

we were also taught to count...1..................................2...... ...........2 1/3......Hey, 42, get out of the lane.......................2 2/3..................3 (whistle if necessary)

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Smitty

It's the opposite here.

Of course but we know who's driving that.

I think the UIL would find a way to get rid of us if they could.