Block/Charge video

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by jdmara

NCAA-W: This would be a restricted arc play since the player received the ball outside the lower defensive box as I understand the new rule. True?

True. The drive to the basket started outside of the LDB and would be a blocking foul if the secondary defender established LGP while standing on or in the restricted arc.

[johnny d]

I have to agree with BNR here, no way C can effectively officiate on ball matchup and worry about where secondary defender is. This is and should be the leads call.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I'm just saying if its bang/bang and the defender is under the basket, I'm going to lean towards a block. That's all Im saying. And from the angle given, it looks like B1 slides into his final position while A1 is airborne.

Oh, I understood what you said. I'm just saying what does it have to do with the NFHS rule book? There's nothing to support it and if I'm the defensive head coach and you tell me that you may also be calling a T on me.

If B1 doesn't establish LGP in time, so be it. However if you tell a (high school) coach - or your partner or your supervisor - the call had anything to do with B1 being under the basket, you're going against the rule book.

Originally Posted by johnny d

...no way C can effectively officiate on ball matchup and worry about where secondary defender is.

Yes there is but it would have involved the C getting up court faster since in transition he should try to be even with the ball between the tops of the circles. If he's where he's supposed to be he can at least anticipate what's going to happen next (i.e., a second defender coming over). By not moving with the ball the C created a 2-person call situation in a 3-person game. In an ideal world first whistle on that play should come from C since it started and ended in his primary. L should be secondary.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I have to agree with BNR here, no way C can effectively officiate on ball matchup and worry about where secondary defender is. This is and should be the leads call.

I do not agree that there is no way the C could see this, but it would not be easy. And the L should be trying to help on this play understanding the C might have a whistle, but the C can get this in many situations. Not all, but many.

Peace

[johnny d]

Jetmet, I will have to disagree with you as to what happens in the ideal world. Your world view is consistent with working NCAA-W basketball, mine is from the NCAA-M viewpoint. Two different worlds, two different philosophies.

[johnny d]

Jrut, I agree, C needs to stay engaged and can get this if he has to. I just think L will have better look and should have first crack.

[Camron Rust]

I'm really surprised there is any discussion on this one. It seems like a obvious charge to me.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Jetmet, I will have to disagree with you as to what happens in the ideal world. Your world view is consistent with working NCAA-W basketball, mine is from the NCAA-M viewpoint. Two different worlds, two different philosophies.

From a college standpoint yes, there are two different philosophies. This was a h.s. game and that's where I'm coming from.

Regarding the C and transition plays the NFHS manual says the C is "(r)esponsible if the ball goes to the basket on (their) side." (Sec. 3-3-5-C3)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

From a college standpoint yes, there are two different philosophies. This was a h.s. game and that's where I'm coming from.

Regarding the C and transition plays the NFHS manual says the C is "(r)esponsible if the ball goes to the basket on (their) side." (Sec. 3-3-5-C3)

So who should be looking for contact up top? This is a high school game on national TV which tells me there is above the rim action possible. If the C (even if he is in position) is looking for secondary defenders then who is watching for possible fouls at the rim?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So who should be looking for contact up top? This is a high school game on national TV which tells me there is above the rim action possible. If the C (even if he is in position) is looking for secondary defenders then who is watching for possible fouls at the rim?

I would think it's the T's job. C for this play has primary and L has secondary meaning they're going to be focused below the rim at the moment of contact.

[OKREF]

This doesn't even look debatable to me. I think it's an obvious PC. In my opinion.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I would think it's the T's job. C for this play has primary and L has secondary meaning they're going to be focused below the rim at the moment of contact.

No way is it the Ts job. So basically you are saying all 3 officials should be focused on A1. The Slot is responsible for everything involving A1 vs B1 on this play including any contact up high.

The Lead is properly taking first crack on the secondary defender.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

No way is it the Ts job. So basically you are saying all 3 officials should be focused on A1. The Slot is responsible for everything involving A1 vs B1 on this play including any contact up high.

The Lead is properly taking first crack on the secondary defender.

We may be going on two different meanings of "up top" in this play. I commented thinking "up top" meant rebounding after the fact. If it's contact up high in the initial - or even secondary - matchup itself I'd expect to be aware of it if I was the C.