Block/Charge video

[ballgame99]

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I have a block. The last step to get into LGP looks late to me. Plus if you want to draw a charge under the basket I'm not going to give it to you unless you are very clearly there in time.

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[Raymond]

From this view I agree with the Lead.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Plus if you want to draw a charge under the basket I'm not going to give it to you unless you are very clearly there in time.

What's your definition of "in time"? Looks like a good call to me.

Charge. I don't think the lateral movement OP is talking about takes away the defenders LGP.

[Amesman]

Good call. Would be a shame to penalize the D on this one.

[JeffM]

Charge. The defender established LGP. I would also be ok with a no-call. I don't know the flow/physicality of the game, but they are supposed to be two of the best HS teams in the country and the contact wasn't that severe.

[jdmara]

NFHS: Legal guarding position by the secondary defender and obvious displacement. Charge 100% of the way.

NCAA-W: This would be a restricted arc play since the player received the ball outside the lower defensive box as I understand the new rule. True?

I don't understand how you could have a no-call on this play with the displacement across the lane but that's why we are all here to learn.

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[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Plus if you want to draw a charge under the basket I'm not going to give it to you unless you are very clearly there in time.

This game was played under NFHS rules. By rule, what does being under the basket have to do with anything?

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

This game was played under NFHS rules. By rule, what does being under the basket have to do with anything?

I'm just saying if its bang/bang and the defender is under the basket, I'm going to lean towards a block. That's all Im saying. And from the angle given, it looks like B1 slides into his final position while A1 is airborne.

[johnny d]

I have to agree with BNR here, no way C can effectively officiate on ball matchup and worry about where secondary defender is. This is and should be the leads call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I have to agree with BNR here, no way C can effectively officiate on ball matchup and worry about where secondary defender is. This is and should be the leads call.

I do not agree that there is no way the C could see this, but it would not be easy. And the L should be trying to help on this play understanding the C might have a whistle, but the C can get this in many situations. Not all, but many.

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[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I'm just saying if its bang/bang and the defender is under the basket, I'm going to lean towards a block. That's all Im saying. And from the angle given, it looks like B1 slides into his final position while A1 is airborne.

Oh, I understood what you said. I'm just saying what does it have to do with the NFHS rule book? There's nothing to support it and if I'm the defensive head coach and you tell me that you may also be calling a T on me.

If B1 doesn't establish LGP in time, so be it. However if you tell a (high school) coach - or your partner or your supervisor - the call had anything to do with B1 being under the basket, you're going against the rule book.

Originally Posted by johnny d

...no way C can effectively officiate on ball matchup and worry about where secondary defender is.

Yes there is but it would have involved the C getting up court faster since in transition he should try to be even with the ball between the tops of the circles. If he's where he's supposed to be he can at least anticipate what's going to happen next (i.e., a second defender coming over). By not moving with the ball the C created a 2-person call situation in a 3-person game. In an ideal world first whistle on that play should come from C since it started and ended in his primary. L should be secondary.

[johnny d]

Jetmet, I will have to disagree with you as to what happens in the ideal world. Your world view is consistent with working NCAA-W basketball, mine is from the NCAA-M viewpoint. Two different worlds, two different philosophies.

[johnny d]

Jrut, I agree, C needs to stay engaged and can get this if he has to. I just think L will have better look and should have first crack.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Jetmet, I will have to disagree with you as to what happens in the ideal world. Your world view is consistent with working NCAA-W basketball, mine is from the NCAA-M viewpoint. Two different worlds, two different philosophies.

From a college standpoint yes, there are two different philosophies. This was a h.s. game and that's where I'm coming from.

Regarding the C and transition plays the NFHS manual says the C is "(r)esponsible if the ball goes to the basket on (their) side." (Sec. 3-3-5-C3)