Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Most players have no idea what you mean when you say "Designated spot" or what that means they can or cannot do. So saying that and expecting them to know is silly to me. Sorry, but that is beyond silly. Now I say to a player that can move around the end line, "You can run the endline" as that is how they know move along the end line and usually how they ask a question about their ability to do so. Saying "Anywhere along the line" is silly to me when we are trying to communicate to them.

Another thread:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe it's overkill, but our local interpreter has instructed us to indicate, "That's your spot", accompanied by pointing to the spot, or, "You can move" (Option: "You've got the whole line"), accompanied by a sweeping motion of the arm while pointing, on all backcourt endline throwins, and only backcourt endline throwins. Some will criticize that it's excess verbiage, and signalage, and not necessary, that the kids should already know this, but at least the statements agree with the actual rules. I believe that IAABO mechanics also require this, but I may be mistaken.

Originally Posted by Rob1968

NFHS Officials Manual, 2.2 PUTTING THE BALL IN PLAY 2.2.2 C End Line 5. states ; "When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw-in or running the end line privileges are in effect." - Signal 26 = Spot Throw-in, Signal 23 = Run End Line.

[Travelling Man]

I wonder where the notion of admonishing players to "stay behind the half ct line during tech shots" originated? Must've had a logical origin--maybe to prevent aggressive behavior between opponents or shooter and the player that fouled.

[JRutledge]

Billy,

Keep in mind "Don't move" is not used to tell them the rule much of the time. That is so they do not follow you around away from their spot too. There are times when we bounce the ball to them and they go to another spot then where the violation or foul took place.

And once again, I really could give a damn about what the NF book says. We do not use it and it has nothing to do with a lot of basic things we do as officials. There are so many situations that book never covers and even when my state used it, the book was useless in so many situations. And even by things you have said here, your state does what they want as it relates to IAABO standards. I am glad you referenced the Manual, but not the end all be all of what we do.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is so they do not follow you around away from their spot too. There are times when we bounce the ball to them and they go to another spot then where the violation or foul took place.

I hate it when that happens, usually on sideline throwins, in the front court, below the free throw line extended, when the lead (two person game) has to make a long bounce to the inbounder.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I hate it when that happens, usually on sideline throwins, in the front court, below the free throw line extended, when the lead has to make a long bounce to the inbounder.

That is why I say "I'll bounce it to you there" then step away if I'm not already away. Much more appropriate than "don't move".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That is why I say "I'll bounce it to you there" then step away if I'm not already away. Much more appropriate than "don't move".

Eitehr way it goes, I am still saying, "Don't move." I think it makes little difference and nothing I have heard changes my mind or seems relevent to what a player thinks they can or cannot do.

Peace

[Rich]

We've also taken to tweeting our whistles as we come in on the first horn. Picked this up from some NCAA Men's officials and it's worked well for us. Easy for them to ignore the horn, but the whistle grabs attention.

I didn't put a ball on the floor once last season in over 60 games.

Originally Posted by Rob1968

NFHS Officials Manual, 2.2 PUTTING THE BALL IN PLAY 2.2.2 C End Line 5. states ; "When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw-in or running the end line privileges are in effect." - Signal 26 = Spot Throw-in, Signal 23 = Run End Line.

I say "SPOT THROW" while pointing to the spot (Signal 26). I say "YOU HAVE BASELINE/ENDLINE" while motioning back and forth (Signal 23).

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The recent thread on rules regarding the jump ball to start the game has given me an idea for an article for our local board's newsletter. The working title is, "Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game".

I want concentrate on things that officials often, or sometimes, say during a game that do not have any basis in the rules.

Perhaps include a section including "mechanics officials should probably not being doing during a game".

Like my signal letting my partners know which teams are in the single/double bonus. Or doing whatever this guy is doing.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Nothing I have heard changes my mind or seems relevant to what a player thinks they can or cannot do.

Keep saying, "Don't move", over, and over again, along with a few partners that also say it, and eventually a player, or even worse, a coach, will start to believe what they hear. Far fetched? Maybe, but it happened to me in a game:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I had to T up a coach this past year because he wouldn't stop complaining to my partner, who, as the administering official, let a player "move" on a designated spot throwin. The coach kept saying, "But he can't move". My partner tried, and I tried, to explain the movement limitations on a designated spot throwin, but he wouldn't accept any of that, he just kept saying, "But he can't move". Eventually, I had to tell him to, "Sit down".

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Rooster: Without a smilie, I can't tell if your serious, or trying to be funny, or sarcastic, or what? In any case, I hate your idea. This sounds like the rules clinic that JRutledge is trying to avoid, and something that, I think, JRutledge, and I, can agree upon 100%.

Plus, only one foot has to remain over the thirty-six inch "spot", there is actually quite a bit of movement allowed on a designated spot throwin. Get out your tape measure and give it a try.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Eitehr way it goes, I am still saying, "Don't move." I think it makes little difference and nothing I have heard changes my mind or seems relevent to what a player thinks they can or cannot do.

Peace

Not trying to be funny or sarcastic. JRutledge said he hadn't heard anything that he would use instead of "Don't move." I was trying to come up with something that can be communicated quickly, that is factually correct, and lets a thrower know what he/she CAN do.

I don't see this as a rules clinic, but that's me.

I do know that "only one foot has to remain over the thirty-six inch "spot", there is actually quite a bit of movement allowed on a designated spot throw-in." See post #88

Hate is a strong word, doncha think?

I thinks that's enough smilies for now...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Much more appropriate than "don't move".

Just about everything is more appropriate than, "Don't move", since, "Don't move", is in direct conflict with the throwin rules.