Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game ...

[Travelling Man]

*If I could add to your List:

1. After the timeout has expired and the horn has sounded to resume play, some refs shout to the benches "let's play ball" or "break up the huddle".
Is it really part of our job to "usher" the teams back on court by shouting such or blowing our whistle several times to make them resume play?
Lately, I have begun to just stand by the ball at the point of inbounding and slowly and dramatically starting a 5-second count. Usually a player sees this and runs out to inbound it.
So, that's what I add to your List: "Refs should not be ushering the play to resume when there are horns and assistant coaches to fulfill this function--it's not our job", correct?

[rsl]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

*If I could add to your List:
So, that's what I add to your List: "Refs should not be ushering the play to resume when there are horns and assistant coaches to fulfill this function--it's not our job", correct?

From the manual:

D. Resuming Play:
1. At the warning signal (first horn) for all time-outs, and the intermissions
between the first and second and third and fourth quarters, the
officials will step toward the nearest team huddle and notify the coaches/
bench by raising an index finger and saying "first horn."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rsl

From the manual:

D. Resuming Play:
1. At the warning signal (first horn) for all time-outs, and the intermissions
between the first and second and third and fourth quarters, the
officials will step toward the nearest team huddle and notify the coaches/
bench by raising an index finger and saying "first horn."

I do it, but I find this to be, for the most part, useless.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I do it, but I find this to be, for the most part, useless.

Most of the time I find it useful. There's usually an assistant coach who pays attention and will start telling the HC to get them out.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I do it, but I find this to be, for the most part, useless.

I have found it to be extremely helpful. The coaches are much quicker about getting their players out of the huddle. We're in the huddle after the first horn, and I have to resort to RPP about once every two seasons at most in high school games. Younger levels are different

[Adam]

The only thing I'm going to add to this list is: Anything during free throws except the number of shots left to take.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

The only thing I'm going to add to this list is: Anything during free throws except the number of shots left to take.

I will say, "Let it hit", to Catholic middle school players, early in the game, during the early part of the season.

Also, here, in my little corner of Connecticut, private prep schools use hybrid rules, combining NFHS, and NCAA, rules. Occasionally a private prep school will play a public school, or a private prep school from another state. In the early part of these games, I will often say "On the release", as much of a reminder to the players as to my partner, and myself. Other than that, I agree with you.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

The only thing I'm going to add to this list is: Anything during free throws except the number of shots left to take.

I would have a violation every single game if I did not make it clear they could not leave on the release.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would have a violation every single game if I did not make it clear they could not leave on the release.

From the content of your many posts, I'm assuming that you're a veteran, experienced, official, working a demanding high school varsity schedule with some pretty good players in the Chicagoland area. Yet, you say that you have to remind them about this basic rule quite often? We seldom have to warn high school varsity players regarding this rule in my little corner of Connecticut.

Why the difference? Do different leagues that you service use different rules, i.e. hybrid NCAA, and NFHS, rules, like the private prep schools in my area? Or are your players just stupider than mine? Maybe your players are so talented that they are already thinking about their college careers, and college rules, whereas, many of my players are wondering where they parked their John Deere tractor in the school's parking lot, or if they remembered to lock up the chickens in the coop for the night.

Seriously, why the difference?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would have a violation every single game if I did not make it clear they could not leave on the release.

Peace

Short term memory problems?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

*If I could add to your List:

1. After the timeout has expired and the horn has sounded to resume play, some refs shout to the benches "let's play ball" or "break up the huddle".
Is it really part of our job to "usher" the teams back on court by shouting such or blowing our whistle several times to make them resume play?


Lately, I have begun to just stand by the ball at the point of inbounding and slowly and dramatically starting a 5-second count. Usually a player sees this and runs out to inbound it.
So, that's what I add to your List: "Refs should not be ushering the play to resume when there are horns and assistant coaches to fulfill this function--it's not our job", correct?

We have a right to tell them what to do as we can use the RPP if they are not ready. So I do not find this even an issue if said word for word as you stated. Understand the reasoning for this list is that these things are usually incorrect or not supported by rule. Part of our job (at least in my experience) is to get them out of the huddle and if they don't, we use the procedures in place. It is called preventative officiating IMO.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

*If I could add to your List:

1. After the timeout has expired and the horn has sounded to resume play, some refs shout to the benches "let's play ball" or "break up the huddle".
Is it really part of our job to "usher" the teams back on court by shouting such or blowing our whistle several times to make them resume play?
Lately, I have begun to just stand by the ball at the point of inbounding and slowly and dramatically starting a 5-second count. Usually a player sees this and runs out to inbound it.
So, that's what I add to your List: "Refs should not be ushering the play to resume when there are horns and assistant coaches to fulfill this function--it's not our job", correct?

Some of us do what we're expected to do in our areas. All I know is that jumping straight to strict implementation of the RPP could be considered a career-limiting move in many areas.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Rich

Some of us do what we're expected to do in our areas. All I know is that jumping straight to strict implementation of the RPP could be considered a career-limiting move in many areas.

I'll give an example from my repertoire of mess ups. Sophmore mens game, time out. First horn we both go to respective teams and Say first horn, Second horn same thing, then we go to our spots, both teams are slow to come out. Defense makes it to the floor maybe 10 seconds after the second horn. Inbounding team is still slow. I place the ball on the floor and begin the 5 count and this of course gets their attention and we get underway. Second half same thing, this time it is my partner administering but the offense is ready to go and the defense is still in the huddle. After more than sufficient time he gives a solid blast on his whistle and gives the ball to the inbounding team. Of course they get an easy bucket and the other coach is obviously livid.

Did we follow the ROP procedure? Yep we sure did. Did we inform the teams? Yep. Did what we did help make the game smoother. Hell no. From this experience, I have learned after discussing it with the peeps on this forum that preventitive officiating in this case is very improtant even if it isn't necessarily backed by rule. Now, if they don't break that huddle on the second horn I am right there hollering at them that the ball is coming in and will get in the middle of the huddle if I have to.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

First horn we both go to respective teams and Say first horn, Second horn same thing, then we go to our spots, both teams are slow to come out. Defense makes it to the floor maybe 10 seconds after the second horn. Inbounding team is still slow. I place the ball on the floor and begin the 5 count ...

Sharpshooternes: It seems that you forgot one important step, sounding your whistle.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sharpshooternes: It seems that you forgot one important step, sounding your whistle.

Forgot to type this step in my post. Did not forget to do it at the time of the incident.