Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Much more appropriate than "don't move".

Just about everything is more appropriate than, "Don't move", since, "Don't move", is in direct conflict with the throwin rules.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

I didn't put a ball on the floor once last season in over 60 games.

Me neither, but it's a weapon that I always have in my holster, and I'm not afraid to use it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Nothing I have heard changes my mind or seems relevant to what a player thinks they can or cannot do.

Keep saying, "Don't move", over, and over again, along with a few partners that also say it, and eventually a player, or even worse, a coach, will start to believe what they hear. Far fetched? Maybe, but it happened to me in a game:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I had to T up a coach this past year because he wouldn't stop complaining to my partner, who, as the administering official, let a player "move" on a designated spot throwin. The coach kept saying, "But he can't move". My partner tried, and I tried, to explain the movement limitations on a designated spot throwin, but he wouldn't accept any of that, he just kept saying, "But he can't move". Eventually, I had to tell him to, "Sit down".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would have a violation every single game if I did not make it clear they could not leave on the release.

From the content of your many posts, I'm assuming that you're a veteran, experienced, official, working a demanding high school varsity schedule with some pretty good players in the Chicagoland area. Yet, you say that you have to remind them about this basic rule quite often? We seldom have to warn high school varsity players regarding this rule in my little corner of Connecticut.

Why the difference? Do different leagues that you service use different rules, i.e. hybrid NCAA, and NFHS, rules, like the private prep schools in my area? Or are your players just stupider than mine? Maybe your players are so talented that they are already thinking about their college careers, and college rules, whereas, many of my players are wondering where they parked their John Deere tractor in the school's parking lot, or if they remembered to lock up the chickens in the coop for the night.

Seriously, why the difference?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would have a violation every single game if I did not make it clear they could not leave on the release.

Peace

Short term memory problems?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Adam

Short term memory problems?

I wouldn't doubt it...I probably have a player, over half the time, ask whose ball it is after a timeout.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Keep saying, "Don't move", over, and over again, along with a few partners that also say it, and eventually a player, or even worse, a coach, will start to believe what they hear. Far fetched? Maybe, but it happened to me in a game:

Why would I care if a player thinks they cannot move?

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

I wouldn't doubt it...I probably have a player, over half the time, ask whose ball it is after a timeout.

I get asked about once or twice a game that question by a player.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

I wouldn't doubt it...I probably have a player, over half the time, ask whose ball it is after a timeout.

I get that one, too. Like Jeff, about once or twice a game.

But I never have to deal with the issue of when it's legal to enter the lane except in men's league games. Even then, you tell them once and they know the rest of the game.

It's just an odd rule to have to repeat, IMO.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

I probably have a player, over half the time, ask whose ball it is after a timeout.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I get asked about once or twice a game that question by a player.

Originally Posted by Adam

I get that one, too ... about once or twice a game.

I really hate it when I get asked this question by my partner.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I really hate it when I get asked this question by my partner.

It's even worse when my partner asks me and I can't remember.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From the content of your many posts, I'm assuming that you're a veteran, experienced, official, working a demanding high school varsity schedule with some pretty good players in the Chicagoland area. Yet, you say that you have to remind them about this basic rule quite often? We seldom have to warn high school varsity players regarding this rule in my little corner of Connecticut.

Why the difference? Do different leagues that you service use different rules, i.e. hybrid NCAA, and NFHS, rules, like the private prep schools in my area? Or are your players just stupider than mine? Maybe your players are so talented that they are already thinking about their college careers, and college rules, whereas, many of my players are wondering where they parked their John Deere tractor in the school's parking lot, or if they remembered to lock up the chickens in the coop for the night.

Seriously, why the difference?

Well I live in a big city area that is influenced heavily by the NBA and other levels. Kids around here can touch many NBA players and come from schools where NBA players currently have played. Actually many high school player play in Pro-Am Leagues over the summer or watch a lot of NBA and I am sure they do what they see. So yes, you have to remind them or you will have very obvious violations. And when you call a violation it is easy to say, "I told you to wait."

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why would I care if a player thinks they cannot move?

Man. You are one persistent son of a gun. You stick to your guns. You're a pain in the butt, but, good for you. I often wish that I had your confidence. You're still wrong, but you're persistent, and confident. Again, good for you.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Man. You are one persistent son of a gun. You stick to your guns. You're a pain in the butt, but, good for you. I often wish that I had your confidence. You're still wrong, but you're persistent, and confident. Again, good for you.

It is not about sticking to my guns, I just do not agree with you. You have not said anything that anyone has stated that is in charge or over an organization that I am apart of in any capacity. If you do not want to stay "Don't move" that is fine with me. But you are not in a position to tell me or others what they should or should not say, when it really does not have connotation that you have assumed it does with everyone. I have similar pet peeves but I know they are my pet peeves, not speaking for what others should do. Just like you wearing a belt, it is up to you to decide if that is what you want to do when others thinks it looks silly. And trust me, there are more people that do not want to wear a belt then are upset about this terminology that you seem to be upset or irritated by. I think I have a right to my opinion, it is not about right or wrong.

Peace

[Travelling Man]

Add to your list:
1. Refs don't need to "remind" a coach that they have been issued a 1st warning prior to giving them a second technical foul and subsequent ejection.

2. When a coach asks "how many timeouts do I have?" We refs have no business informing them; that's the responsibility of their ass't coach or score table personnel.