Jump Ball - Movement Prior to Touch

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here's another one of my pet peeves: I've heard officials tell players, who are standing six feet off the jump ball circle, "You can't stand behind him". Stupid monkeys. Sometime it's better to just keep one's mouth shut. Remember, in regard to revealing one's ignorance, you can't quote silence.

I posted something a few months back about officials doing this and folks said they hadn't seen it. I'm glad I'm not as nutty as I thought.

Recently I've started asking partners why the do this...then we go look at the rule book together.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I'm glad I'm not as nutty as I thought.

Oh, some of us have seen officials say this, but that still doesn't not make you nutty. After all. You appear to be a fan of both the Mets, and the Jets. Nutty? You have to be. No question in my mind.

[Travelling Man]

I agree: Fortunately, there is only one jump ball per game for officials at our level on this forum of whom are 99.9% non-NBA refs (in contrast there are numerous jump ball situations at the nba level thus distinctly circumspect provisions inhere). And by custom, I've observed that 99.9% of HS players just get a spot around the jump circle and hold still for the 2 seconds it takes to determine the jumpball. And, that 99.9% of nfhs officials just say "hold your spots"--and the pain will be over in 2 seconds.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

I agree: Fortunately, there is only one jump ball per game for officials at our level on this forum of whom are 99.9% non-NBA refs (in contrast there are numerous jump ball situations at the nba level thus distinctly circumspect provisions inhere). And by custom, I've observed that 99.9% of HS players just get a spot around the jump circle and hold still for the 2 seconds it takes to determine the jumpball. And, that 99.9% of nfhs officials just say "hold your spots"--and the pain will be over in 2 seconds.

The percentage of NFHS officials who say this is nowhere near 99.9%. It might be close to 9%, but even that would surprise me. This is the same as those who move everyone behind half court for technical foul free throws. No one thinks twice about it, but it's still wrong.

Like back pedaling. You'll be fine until you aren't.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Like back pedaling. You'll be fine until you aren't.

You'll Be Fine Until You Aren't © 2013 Adam

Adam: Now you can start raking in the licensing revenue. And when you become a zillionaire, don't forget your old Forum buddy, BillyMac.

[Travelling Man]

Originally Posted by Adam

The percentage of NFHS officials who say this is nowhere near 99.9%. It might be close to 9%, but even that would surprise me. This is the same as those who move everyone behind half court for technical foul free throws. No one thinks twice about it, but it's still wrong.

Like back pedaling. You'll be fine until you aren't.

*No, it is not like "back-pedaling". Backpedaling is something officials do to "themselves"; whereas arranging players for the jump ball and admonishing them to "be still" is something that officials do to "others".

You've under-estimated the number of nfhs officials who instruct players to "not move" during the initial jump ball--as evidenced by the mere fact that this issue /thread was started by an nfhs official indicates that even amongst this self-selected group of specialists there exists considerable variation in the practice of this esoteric issue. Perhaps you yourself comprise that 0.1% wh allow players to move about during the initial jump ball. But as I said, this is really an esoteric issue in officiating--there are other more pressing concerns [no pun intended].

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

*No, it is not like "back-pedaling". Backpedaling is something officials do to "themselves"; whereas arranging players for the jump ball and admonishing them to "be still" is something that officials do to "others".

You've under-estimated the number of nfhs officials who instruct players to "not move" during the initial jump ball--as evidenced by the mere fact that this issue /thread was started by an nfhs official indicates that even amongst this self-selected group of specialists there exists considerable variation in the practice of this esoteric issue. Perhaps you yourself comprise that 0.1% wh allow players to move about during the initial jump ball. But as I said, this is really an esoteric issue in officiating--there are other more pressing concerns [no pun intended].

The "esoteric" characterization of this issue becomes moot when one reads the NFHS Officials Manual, 2.2.1 B and notes the adsence of any direction to give such instruction to the players, and/or one's Assignor/Evaluator gives instruction/direction to do otherwise.

[Travelling Man]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

The "esoteric" characterization of this issue becomes moot when one reads the NFHS Officials Manual, 2.2.1 B and notes the adsence of any direction to give such instruction to the players, and/or one's Assignor/Evaluator gives instruction/direction to do otherwise.

*Perhaps you ought to look up the definition of "esoteric". By doing so you will come to understand the context of my post.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

The percentage of NFHS officials who say this is nowhere near 99.9%. It might be close to 9%.

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

You've under-estimated the number of NFHS officials who instruct players to "not move" during the initial jump ball.

Sounds like a great topic for a poll. That would really piss off Jurassic Referee.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

*No, it is not like "back-pedaling". Backpedaling is something officials do to "themselves"; whereas arranging players for the jump ball and admonishing them to "be still" is something that officials do to "others".

You've under-estimated the number of nfhs officials who instruct players to "not move" during the initial jump ball--as evidenced by the mere fact that this issue /thread was started by an nfhs official indicates that even amongst this self-selected group of specialists there exists considerable variation in the practice of this esoteric issue. Perhaps you yourself comprise that 0.1% wh allow players to move about during the initial jump ball. But as I said, this is really an esoteric issue in officiating--there are other more pressing concerns [no pun intended].

It is the same, because they're both wrong. In my experience, they're both rookie mistakes (although backpedalingi s normally purged sooner). Neither is done to anyone else. It doesn't affect me when someone else does either, so I'm nto sure what you mean by "to others."

I don't think I'm underestimating anything. There is no way 99% of state certified officials are doing this. None. When I see it, it's either by non-state certified offificials, or newly certified.

Your use of this thread as evidence that the problem is more pervasive is invalid, to be honest. Threads start here all the time over rare, but annoying, habits of partners. My number may be low, but it's not nearly as low as yours is high.

And you're right, there are far more important items to discuss. The glorious thing about the internet, though, is we get to discuss them all.