Jump Ball - Movement Prior to Touch

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Because if the players don't move then the official doesn't need to worry about whether they moved on or off or around and whether it was before the ball was tossed or touched.

By that logic the official should also tell all the players not to foul or commit any violations. The official wouldn't then have to worry about any of those!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

By that logic the official should also tell all the players not to foul or commit any violations. The official wouldn't then have to worry about any of those!

How about, "Let it hit the rim"?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How about, "Let it hit the rim"?

Yep, and "don't move" or "stay there" on a throw-in.

And, when is the referee "ready to toss"? When s/he (meant in all cases below) blows the whistle? Enters the circle? Asks the captains if their team is heady? If he is ready and then somone moves, can he "unready" himself and re-set or is it always an immediate violation?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yep, and "don't move" or "stay there" on a throw-in.

And, when is the referee "ready to toss"? When s/he (meant in all cases below) blows the whistle? Enters the circle? Asks the captains if their team is heady? If he is ready and then somone moves, can he "unready" himself and re-set or is it always an immediate violation?

There's no definition in the manual but I consider myself (or the tossing official) ready once the whistle is blown prior to the toss. That's a pretty good alert for everyone that we're about to get going.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yep, and "don't move" or "stay there" on a throw-in.

Maybe it's overkill, but our local interpreter has instructed us to indicate, "That's your spot", accompanied by pointing to the spot, or, "You can move" (Option: "You've got the whole line"), accompanied by a sweeping motion of the arm while pointing, on all backcourt endline throwins, and only backcourt endline throwins. Some will criticize that it's excess verbiage, and signalage, and not necessary, that the kids should already know this, but at least the statements agree with the actual rules. I believe that IAABO mechanics also require this, but I may be mistaken.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe it's overkill, but our local interpreter has instructed us to indicate, "That's your spot", accompanied by pointing to the spot, or, "You can move" (Option: "You've got the whole line"), accompanied by a sweeping motion of the arm while pointing, on all backcourt endline throwins, and only backcourt endline throwins. Some will criticize that it's excess verbiage, and signalage, and not necessary, that the kids should already know this, but at least the statements agree with the actual rules. I believe that IAABO mechanics also require this, but I may be mistaken.

NFHS Officials Manual, 2.2 PUTTING THE BALL IN PLAY 2.2.2 C End Line 5. states ; "When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw-in or running the end line privileges are in effect." - Signal 26 = Spot Throw-in, Signal 23 = Run End Line.

I haven't found an instruction to ask for the "speaking captain(s)," only the duty to conduct the coach/captain meeting, in 2.1 A Referee's Duties 10. of the Officials Manual.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I haven't found an instruction to ask for the "speaking captain(s)," only the duty to conduct the coach/captain meeting, in 2.1 A Referee's Duties 10. of the Officials Manual.

Rule 2-7-1

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Who's the speaking captain". Wait? I'm being told that that's an actual rule. Never mind.

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I haven't found an instruction to ask for the "speaking captain(s),".

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Rule 2-7-1

2-7-1: The officials shall conduct the game in accordance with the rules. This includes: Notifying the captains when play is about to begin at the start of the
game.

3-1-1: Each team consists of five players, one of whom is the captain.

Rob1968: My reference to, "Who's the speaking captain", was actually done tongue in cheek. I was trying to get a "rise" out of some veteran Forum members. Some Forum members have disagreed about this "mechanic". Some will take the rule quite literally, that there is only one captain, and since they have to notify this one captain at the start of the game, and since almost all varsity teams have more than one captain come to the pregame coaches and captains meeting, they will ask for that one "speaking" captain in the pregame meeting. Some will actually go as far as asking if that "speaking" captain is starting, and, if not, ask for a "substitute speaking" captain that is starting. I guess that it would be unprofessional to just yell over to the captain sitting on the bench to notify him?

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Rule 2-7-1

Bob, I've not equated "2-7-1. . . Notifying the captains when play is about to begin at the start of the game.", with "asking for the speaking captain(s)." since one subject deals with the R speaking to the captain(s) while the other seems to be a determination of which player(s) may speak to the officials.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

NFHS Officials Manual, 2.2 PUTTING THE BALL IN PLAY 2.2.2 C End Line 5. states ; "When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw-in or running the end line privileges are in effect." - Signal 26 = Spot Throw-in, Signal 23 = Run End Line.

Thanks Rob1968. The IAABO Mechanics Manual pretty much says the same thing, just not as well (typical of the IAABO Manual). It's not on my hard drive, please don't make me type it (keyboard it?) out.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yep, and "don't move" or "stay there" on a throw-in.

And, "Who's the speaking captain". Wait? I'm being told that that's an actual rule. Never mind.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

By that logic the official should also tell all the players not to foul or commit any violations. The official wouldn't then have to worry about any of those!

So you never tell a player, "Get out of the lane!" or "Don't push!"?

It's called preventive officiating. You should try it. It works well.

[JRutledge]

I have no problem with saying these things if in conveys a message. The coaches and players are supposed to know the rules. And many things we do the players or coaches have no idea what is illegal. Just look at Nate Robinson of the Bulls multiple times violated as a jumper and moved and never tried to jump for the ball. It makes little or no difference to me as long as the comment conveys the right message. And telling players to "not move" is harmless IMO.

Peace

[Raymond]

I worked a Pro Am game today. One of the players will be on a D3 coaching staff this season. Last week he was setting questionable rolling screens. Today, before the game, I went up to him and said, "I hope you aren't going to teach your big men that illegal screen this year." He laughed and said "oh, you caught that. It won't be a problem today."

Guess what, he didn't come close to doing today. Preventive officiating is a good thing.