Game 6 NBA Finals Plays

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by camron rust

i too have a foul, twice even. Allen was across the top of ginobli's arm as he was gathering the ball and again as he was trying to bring it up to shoot.

+1

[MathReferee]

1. Great no call.
2. I can see why it wasn't called. L is only one with a good look and Diaw crosses in front of him right as the play was finishing. Did it look like he was about to call it, then put his arm back down? Or do you think he was making the ol' "he hit the ball" signal? Javie's explanation was something along the lines of officials want to be 100% sure in this situation and that Allen hit the ball first, causing it to come loose, then the contact occurred.
3. Good block. No foul.

[maroonx]

1. good no call.
2. good no call
3. perfect block.

Can we add that Green traveled after receiving the ball of the screen right before Bosh's block?

[APG]

Gathered the ball with the right foot on the floor, step one occurred with the left foot, and step two came with the right foot. Completely legal in the NBA.

[maroonx]

So in that play the right foot can return to the floor before releasing the ball?

[APG]

Originally Posted by maroonx

So in that play the right foot can return to the floor before releasing the ball?

Sure. The pivot foot, under NBA rules, is the left foot in this situation.

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by APG

Sure. The pivot foot, under NBA rules, is the left foot in this situation.

And this is why I do not even try to comment on travelling in the NBA, not even in the office. Thanks APG for your infinite NBA rules knowledge.

[MD Longhorn]

I have no dog in this hunt... and if I was rooting for anything at that moment, it was a tying 3 pointer just so we could see 5 more minutes of basketball.

But I'm honestly stunned at the seeming "good block" unanimity on the 3rd play.

At full speed, it seems rather obvious to me that Bosh gets a crapload of body blocking that shot.

At slo mo it's much more obvious
Freeze it at 22 - going straight up, looks good so far. Freeze it at 23, body contact already, shooter went straight up, Bosh did not and is moving into the shooter at decent speed. At 24, shooter, having been mugged, is flying out of bounds - and certainly not due to his own body motion, which was straight up before the contact.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I have no dog in this hunt... and if I was rooting for anything at that moment, it was a tying 3 pointer just so we could see 5 more minutes of basketball.

But I'm honestly stunned at the seeming "good block" unanimity on the 3rd play.

At full speed, it seems rather obvious to me that Bosh gets a crapload of body blocking that shot.

At slo mo it's much more obvious
Freeze it at 22 - going straight up, looks good so far. Freeze it at 23, body contact already, shooter went straight up, Bosh did not and is moving into the shooter at decent speed. At 24, shooter, having been mugged, is flying out of bounds - and certainly not due to his own body motion, which was straight up before the contact.

Absolutely a clean block up top. Contact incidental to the block, plus some embellishment to the floor. I wouldn't call this a foul in a HS game -- it would be a huge bail out.

I thought the Ginobli play was great defense, too.

(I may have posted my thoughts elsewhere, so apologies if you're reading this for the second time.)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I have no dog in this hunt... and if I was rooting for anything at that moment, it was a tying 3 pointer just so we could see 5 more minutes of basketball.

But I'm honestly stunned at the seeming "good block" unanimity on the 3rd play.

At full speed, it seems rather obvious to me that Bosh gets a crapload of body blocking that shot.

At slo mo it's much more obvious
Freeze it at 22 - going straight up, looks good so far. Freeze it at 23, body contact already, shooter went straight up, Bosh did not and is moving into the shooter at decent speed. At 24, shooter, having been mugged, is flying out of bounds - and certainly not due to his own body motion, which was straight up before the contact.

All the freezing is great, but bottomline is that Bosh blocked that shot first and the amount and type of contact that ensue did not rise to the level of a foul. I would no-call that in a HS varsity game and in my college games.

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I have no dog in this hunt... and if I was rooting for anything at that moment, it was a tying 3 pointer just so we could see 5 more minutes of basketball.

But I'm honestly stunned at the seeming "good block" unanimity on the 3rd play.

At full speed, it seems rather obvious to me that Bosh gets a crapload of body blocking that shot.

At slo mo it's much more obvious
Freeze it at 22 - going straight up, looks good so far. Freeze it at 23, body contact already, shooter went straight up, Bosh did not and is moving into the shooter at decent speed. At 24, shooter, having been mugged, is flying out of bounds - and certainly not due to his own body motion, which was straight up before the contact.

How about the hellacious illegal screen on the primary defender before the shooter got the ball in the third clip?

1. Good no call. They corrected the OOB and gave it to SA.
2. Good no call. I know in NBA that's not a travel, but man did he cover a lot of ground without dribbling!
3. Good no call.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

How about the hellacious illegal screen on the primary defender before the shooter got the ball in the third clip?

1. Good no call. They corrected the OOB and gave it to SA.
2. Good no call. I know in NBA that's not a travel, but man did he cover a lot of ground without dribbling!
3. Good no call.

That screen didn't approach the level of the screen LBJ made earlier in the series - and THAT one had people disagreeing. I don't think this was an illegal screen at all (or a travel as noted above).

[maroonx]

Sinking a few free throws makes this all moot. That being said. Too much contact by the screener to free up Green to initiate the NBA travel. Don't understand no whistle by L, T, or C on that.

[bainsey]

1. Nothing.
2. Foul, Allen, for the same reasons Cam stated.
3. Nothing, clean.