Coach on court

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

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I'm not even really going to tell him to get back to his timeout area before I'll talk to him. I'll probably meet him somewhere in the middle once I see him approaching me, and then walk him back to the bench area as we talk.

Attitude of the coach plays a big part in this, but again, if it's respectful, why not give him a little courtesy?

I have supervisors who will jump deep in my a$$ if I let a coach come way out on to the court to talk to us during a time-out. They want coaches staying in the bench area.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have supervisors who will jump deep in my a$$ if I let a coach come way out on to the court to talk to us during a time-out. They want coaches staying in the bench area.

I can understand that but as was mentioned in one of the earlier posts, if we're where we're supposed to be as the time out starts - or reasonably close to it - the coach won't have to come out onto the court that far in the first place. The furthest away one of us will be from his/her bench is the opposite side of the center circle on the division line.

When coaches want to extend conversations - something more than asking about a rule or finding out where the ball is being put into play - I'll call over an AC from the other team so they can hear the conversation. 99% of the time that stops the dialogue because if they want to speak any longer than ten seconds it's usually to try to gain an advantage or get on my nerves.

[Rob_K]

Couple of clarifications. We're an 8th grade team playing up at the freshman level. Winter stuff is over, so this is a spring club league. Nothing too serious here. I also live in a big city, so seeing the same officials from game to game is rare.

We've played close to 200+ games in the past two years and this is the first time an official warned me about coming to talk with them on the court. Granted, I usually don't have to walk very far, this was an exception.

I was looking for the NFHS rule that dealt with a coach coming on the court and I'm assuming it's the "Coaching Box" rule. However, I wasn't aware of the officials positioning requirements during a time-out. It wouldn't have been an issue if one of them had been closer to my bench.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob_K

I wasn't aware of the officials positioning requirements during a time-out.

IAABO Mechanics Two Person Game: Time Out (not an intermission): One official should be table side, on the jump ball circle, on the division line (thirty second time out); or opposite the table, on the jump ball circle, on the division line (sixty second time out). There will be exceptions, especially late in the game, if the officials want to get together for a pow-wow to discuss something about the game.

I'll let someone who's not from Connecticut, The Land That Time Forgot, to give you the three person game positions during a time out.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'll let someone who's not from Connecticut, The Land That Time Forgot, to give you the three person game positions during a time out.

Three-person...

Full = one official on each of the low boxes on the FT lane line farthest from the benches. Official who will administer the next play has the ball at the spot where the ball with be put in play.

30 = One official at the top of each FT circle. Official who administers the next play does the same as a full.

If the next play takes place on the table side of the court, administering official holds the ball on the court in line with that spot and in line with the other officials. If it's a FT, the administering official stands on the FT line.

Originally Posted by Rob_K

I wasn't aware of the officials positioning requirements during a time-out.

This also means if you're ever unsure of where the ball will be put in play when you're in a time out, find the official holding the ball. If the crew is doing what it's supposed to be doing, that official will be at or across from the spot.

[rockyroad]

Do you guys - BillyMac and JetMetFan - really do that during spring/summer league games?

Most of the time doing those games, I am working with a newer official so we use timeouts to discuss stuff ourselves. I can't remember the last time I worked a non-season/non-camp game and we went to the designated time-out positions.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Do you guys really do that during spring/summer league games?

I seldom work off season games, maybe just a few AAU games, but I do work Catholic middle school games on weekends during the season. And in this little corner of Connecticut, we go where we're supposed to go during time outs, and intermissions. We will get together for a few more pow-wows than during a high school varsity game, but the discussion will be about "business", the game, the coaches, interesting plays in the game, tough calls, etc. We will not be discussing anything else, i.e., Christmas gifts, the weather, politics, gas prices, etc.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

do you guys - billymac and jetmetfan - really do that during spring/summer league games?

Most of the time doing those games, i am working with a newer official so we use timeouts to discuss stuff ourselves. I can't remember the last time i worked a non-season/non-camp game and we went to the designated time-out positions.

+1

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Do you guys - BillyMac and JetMetFan - really do that during spring/summer league games?

Most of the time doing those games, I am working with a newer official so we use timeouts to discuss stuff ourselves. I can't remember the last time I worked a non-season/non-camp game and we went to the designated time-out positions.

When I work in the summer now it's usually at officiating camps so I'd have to say yes. Even in a spring or summer league - I'm doing my first one of those in eons this weekend - I usually try to just to avoid getting into bad habits. Worst case scenario is I'll stand in the center circle.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Two Person Game: Time Out (not an intermission): One official should be table side, on the jump ball circle, on the division line (thirty second time out); or opposite the table, on the jump ball circle, on the division line (sixty second time out).....

What's the positioning for 2-man for the last minute of halftime and in between quarters?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What's the positioning for 2-man for the last minute of halftime and in between quarters?

IAABO Mechanics (Two Person) Intermission: Referee at division line, opposite the table, with the ball. Umpire on the free throw lane line "block", opposite the table, on the side of the court where the possession arrow is pointing.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

IAABO Mechanics (Two Person) Intermission: Referee at division line, opposite the table, with the ball. Umpire on the free throw lane line "block", opposite the table, on the side of the court where the possession arrow is pointing.

What's the procedure for the 15 second warning horn?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rob_K

Couple of clarifications. We're an 8th grade team playing up at the freshman level. Winter stuff is over, so this is a spring club league. Nothing too serious here. I also live in a big city, so seeing the same officials from game to game is rare.

We've played close to 200+ games in the past two years and this is the first time an official warned me about coming to talk with them on the court. Granted, I usually don't have to walk very far, this was an exception.

I was looking for the NFHS rule that dealt with a coach coming on the court and I'm assuming it's the "Coaching Box" rule. However, I wasn't aware of the officials positioning requirements during a time-out. It wouldn't have been an issue if one of them had been closer to my bench.

Spring ball, you can pretty much scrap the timeout positioning requirements. Normally, one will be at the throw in spot, and the other at the division line. But if they're not, they're not. They're likely discussing a play; possibly discussing the same play you wanted clarification on.

I'm not saying I would have handled it the way they did; I have no idea, really. I am saying I can understand it, and they have a little more rules backing than you do. Not a major deal, I know, but just FYI.

Like rocky said, spring and summer is a time to work with newer officials, and it's not unusual for me to get with my partner to offer some encouragement.