Coach on court

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

The Coach has the right to be in the time-out area...the time-out area is the area where he talks to his players. That doesn't mean that if the rest of the team is over by the bench, he gets to come all the way to the free throw lane to "talk" to me. I'm not on his team and am not part of his time-out.

Now, if he is asking a legitimate question, I will quite often go over there and talk with him. Or just wait until the first horn sounds when I have to go over there anyway.

But that rule does not give the Coach permission to come that far out there to talk to the officials.

Now that we have clarification from the coach himself I'll stick with my answer: I'm not threatening him with a T especially if he isn't being belligerent or hasn't been a PiTA during the game. All that does is create an adversarial situation where there hasn't been one up to that point. I'll politely suggest he go back and then I'll walk over and handle things. I'll also probably have an AC from the other team come over so they don't feel as though anyone is gaining an advantage.

All this changes if he's been a problem child during the game.

[Raymond]

I'm not threatening him with a T. Thought would never come in my mind. But I'm also immediately stopping him by walking towards him and asking him to return to his bench area. That gives him a short window with which to ask me his question.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Now that we have clarification from the coach himself I'll stick with my answer: I'm not threatening him with a T especially if he isn't being belligerent or hasn't been a PiTA during the game. All that does is create an adversarial situation where there hasn't been one up to that point. I'll politely suggest he go back and then I'll walk over and handle things. I'll also probably have an AC from the other team come over so they don't feel as though anyone is gaining an advantage.

All this changes if he's been a problem child during the game.

+1 on this all the way.

Looks like I'm in the minority here, but if a coach wants to use his timeout to talk to me, as long as it's in a respectful way, I'm happy to oblige. He's got assistant coaches that can take care of his team during that time. There's no need for us to create an adverserial situation where there doesn't need to be one.

I'm not even really going to tell him to get back to his timeout area before I'll talk to him. I'll probably meet him somewhere in the middle once I see him approaching me, and then walk him back to the bench area as we talk.

Attitude of the coach plays a big part in this, but again, if it's respectful, why not give him a little courtesy?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

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I'm not even really going to tell him to get back to his timeout area before I'll talk to him. I'll probably meet him somewhere in the middle once I see him approaching me, and then walk him back to the bench area as we talk.

Attitude of the coach plays a big part in this, but again, if it's respectful, why not give him a little courtesy?

I have supervisors who will jump deep in my a$$ if I let a coach come way out on to the court to talk to us during a time-out. They want coaches staying in the bench area.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have supervisors who will jump deep in my a$$ if I let a coach come way out on to the court to talk to us during a time-out. They want coaches staying in the bench area.

I can understand that but as was mentioned in one of the earlier posts, if we're where we're supposed to be as the time out starts - or reasonably close to it - the coach won't have to come out onto the court that far in the first place. The furthest away one of us will be from his/her bench is the opposite side of the center circle on the division line.

When coaches want to extend conversations - something more than asking about a rule or finding out where the ball is being put into play - I'll call over an AC from the other team so they can hear the conversation. 99% of the time that stops the dialogue because if they want to speak any longer than ten seconds it's usually to try to gain an advantage or get on my nerves.

[Rob_K]

Couple of clarifications. We're an 8th grade team playing up at the freshman level. Winter stuff is over, so this is a spring club league. Nothing too serious here. I also live in a big city, so seeing the same officials from game to game is rare.

We've played close to 200+ games in the past two years and this is the first time an official warned me about coming to talk with them on the court. Granted, I usually don't have to walk very far, this was an exception.

I was looking for the NFHS rule that dealt with a coach coming on the court and I'm assuming it's the "Coaching Box" rule. However, I wasn't aware of the officials positioning requirements during a time-out. It wouldn't have been an issue if one of them had been closer to my bench.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob_K

I wasn't aware of the officials positioning requirements during a time-out.

IAABO Mechanics Two Person Game: Time Out (not an intermission): One official should be table side, on the jump ball circle, on the division line (thirty second time out); or opposite the table, on the jump ball circle, on the division line (sixty second time out). There will be exceptions, especially late in the game, if the officials want to get together for a pow-wow to discuss something about the game.

I'll let someone who's not from Connecticut, The Land That Time Forgot, to give you the three person game positions during a time out.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'll let someone who's not from Connecticut, The Land That Time Forgot, to give you the three person game positions during a time out.

Three-person...

Full = one official on each of the low boxes on the FT lane line farthest from the benches. Official who will administer the next play has the ball at the spot where the ball with be put in play.

30 = One official at the top of each FT circle. Official who administers the next play does the same as a full.

If the next play takes place on the table side of the court, administering official holds the ball on the court in line with that spot and in line with the other officials. If it's a FT, the administering official stands on the FT line.

Originally Posted by Rob_K

I wasn't aware of the officials positioning requirements during a time-out.

This also means if you're ever unsure of where the ball will be put in play when you're in a time out, find the official holding the ball. If the crew is doing what it's supposed to be doing, that official will be at or across from the spot.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Two Person Game: Time Out (not an intermission): One official should be table side, on the jump ball circle, on the division line (thirty second time out); or opposite the table, on the jump ball circle, on the division line (sixty second time out).....

What's the positioning for 2-man for the last minute of halftime and in between quarters?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rob_K

Couple of clarifications. We're an 8th grade team playing up at the freshman level. Winter stuff is over, so this is a spring club league. Nothing too serious here. I also live in a big city, so seeing the same officials from game to game is rare.

We've played close to 200+ games in the past two years and this is the first time an official warned me about coming to talk with them on the court. Granted, I usually don't have to walk very far, this was an exception.

I was looking for the NFHS rule that dealt with a coach coming on the court and I'm assuming it's the "Coaching Box" rule. However, I wasn't aware of the officials positioning requirements during a time-out. It wouldn't have been an issue if one of them had been closer to my bench.

Spring ball, you can pretty much scrap the timeout positioning requirements. Normally, one will be at the throw in spot, and the other at the division line. But if they're not, they're not. They're likely discussing a play; possibly discussing the same play you wanted clarification on.

I'm not saying I would have handled it the way they did; I have no idea, really. I am saying I can understand it, and they have a little more rules backing than you do. Not a major deal, I know, but just FYI.

Like rocky said, spring and summer is a time to work with newer officials, and it's not unusual for me to get with my partner to offer some encouragement.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

+1 on this all the way.

Looks like I'm in the minority here, but if a coach wants to use his timeout to talk to me, as long as it's in a respectful way, I'm happy to oblige. He's got assistant coaches that can take care of his team during that time. There's no need for us to create an adverserial situation where there doesn't need to be one.

I'm not even really going to tell him to get back to his timeout area before I'll talk to him. I'll probably meet him somewhere in the middle once I see him approaching me, and then walk him back to the bench area as we talk.

Attitude of the coach plays a big part in this, but again, if it's respectful, why not give him a little courtesy?

Awesome... and then the rest of us get to deal with, "But the last ref we had let us do it."

[rockyroad]

I am wondering who it was (other than the officials in the OP's game) who said they would not talk with the Coach. I will certainly talk with him/her - just NOT in the middle of the freaking floor.

So all this garbage about not talking to the coach is exactly that - garbage.

[JRutledge]

And if you talk to the coach in the middle of the court, the other coach is going to be upset when you do not talk to them in the same manner. I just do not see the benefit.

Peace