travel violations

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

Every call seems to get a yell. I tend to only question

Potato / po-tah-to

I have done a coached of games. never had a T, dont scream or swear and I have refs who I have gotten to know pretty well and have great discussions with at these events who dont do any of our local games.

And, if these refs had been some you "knew" then you'd more likely get an explanation (they saw something different; you are right but there was no advantage gained so they didn't call it at this level, ...)

But, when they don't know you, you start out by "questioning" from the stands and then approach them after the game, you've used up all your benefit of the doubt (which, frankly, starts at about zero for "strangers in the stands" at these types of events).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Potato / po-tah-to



And, if these refs had been some you "knew" then you'd more likely get an explanation (they saw something different; you are right but there was no advantage gained so they didn't call it at this level, ...)

But, when they don't know you, you start out by "questioning" from the stands and then approach them after the game, you've used up all your benefit of the doubt (which, frankly, starts at about zero for "strangers in the stands" at these types of events).

Ex. Act. Ly.

[upprdeck]

I wish the places I have seen AAU games actually had someone watching the games. There is a reason so many college coaches are pushing for changes in how games are officiated , when coaches like Patino come out and say commit 10 fouls because only 2 will be called there is something wrong with the game. AUU is worse because some teams have 6-7 players and others having 10-12 they just cant play that style and survive.

I have never been an AAU game where anyone was over seeing any of the officiating going on. I have been at many college/HS events where was over site. much easier to be a baseball ump with 5-6 plays a game that require some thought as opposed to basketball that has multiple events on one trip down court.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

I wish the places I have seen AAU games actually had someone watching the games. There is a reason so many college coaches are pushing for changes in how games are officiated , when coaches like Patino come out and say commit 10 fouls because only 2 will be called there is something wrong with the game. AUU is worse because some teams have 6-7 players and others having 10-12 they just cant play that style and survive.

I have never been an AAU game where anyone was over seeing any of the officiating going on. I have been at many college/HS events where was over site. much easier to be a baseball ump with 5-6 plays a game that require some thought as opposed to basketball that has multiple events on one trip down court.

Don't read too much into it. That guy that BNR is talking about is mainly there as a buffer, someone to let people vent. 99% of what he's told gets put into the round file.

The complaints you had would have been filed that way, IMO.

The only people I'll listen to about my officiating would never be making comments during the game like that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by upprdeck

I wish the places I have seen AAU games actually had someone watching the games. There is a reason so many college coaches are pushing for changes in how games are officiated , when coaches like Patino come out and say commit 10 fouls because only 2 will be called there is something wrong with the game. AUU is worse because some teams have 6-7 players and others having 10-12 they just cant play that style and survive.

I have never been an AAU game where anyone was over seeing any of the officiating going on. I have been at many college/HS events where was over site. much easier to be a baseball ump with 5-6 plays a game that require some thought as opposed to basketball that has multiple events on one trip down court.

Well then you have not been paying attention or you were not aware that there was someone over officiating. For one many officiating camps are run with AAU games, so there obviously are evaluators and a camp director for that particular camp or tournament. Then again the officials in many of those situations are not necessarily new or inexperienced, they are just there to prove they can work a certain level. And every AAU Tournament I have worked has someone that assigned them and usually that is someone that has an officiating background. Of course things could be differnet in different parts of the country.

Most of the time when there is an AAU Tournament it is usually assigned with whomever they can get to work the games. And in my experience many experienced or top officials will not waste their time with AAU for the very reason you came here. Paying them $25 a game for the headache is not worth it. And after a couple of weeks, it certainly is not worth it to me anymore.

Peace