Violations.....or not?

[Illini_Ref]

NFHS rules. Can someone give answers and references please?

1. A1 saves a loose ball near the sideline. He saves it inbounds. The ball touches the court. A1 runs back inbounds and continues the dribble. A1 had not dribbled the ball prior to this play, he just saved a loose ball.

2. A1 saves the same loose ball. He gets back inbounds and catches the ball before it hits the floor.

3. A1 is dribbling down the sideline. He is loosing his balance OOB so he steps out of bounds and back in and continues dribbling.

4. A1 is dribbling. B1 slaps the ball away and A1 saves it as in sitch 1.


I know for instance that 3 is illegal. However, is it called whent eh dribbler goes OOB, or when he returns and touches?

[tjones1]

7.1.1 Situation D

9-3-3: Dead when the violation occurs.

[Illini_Ref]

That takes care of 1,2, and 4. Right? What are you calling in #3? Do we agree that 1,2, and 4 are LEGAL plays?

[tjones1]

9-3-3

Leaving for unauthorized reason. Ball is dead when the violation occurs.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Do we agree that 1,2, and 4 are LEGAL plays?

Yes.

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

NFHS rules. Can someone give answers and references please?

1. A1 saves a loose ball near the sideline. He saves it inbounds. The ball touches the court. A1 runs back inbounds and continues the dribble. A1 had not dribbled the ball prior to this play, he just saved a loose ball.

Legal play.

2. A1 saves the same loose ball. He gets back inbounds and catches the ball before it hits the floor.

If tapped it back, I would say that is legal. If he jumped, controlled the ball, passed it up in the air, came back and caught his pass, I would call a travel.

3. A1 is dribbling down the sideline. He is loosing his balance OOB so he steps out of bounds and back in and continues dribbling.

Legal play as long as he is never oob while dribbling.

4. A1 is dribbling. B1 slaps the ball away and A1 saves it as in sitch 1.

Legal play.

I know for instance that 3 is illegal. However, is it called when the dribbler goes OOB, or when he returns and touches?

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by tjones1

9-3-3

Leaving for unauthorized reason. Ball is dead when the violation occurs.

... if his momentum carries him out (losing his balance) then leaving the court is legal.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

If tapped it back, I would say that is legal. If he jumped, controlled the ball, passed it up in the air, came back and caught his pass, I would call a travel.

Why would it be a travel?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

... if his momentum carries him out (losing his balance) then leaving the court is legal.

How is his momentum going to carry him out if he's running/dribbling parallel to the sideline?

[Illini_Ref]

Rule 9-3-2 (Note) makes #3 illegal. A dribbler who steps out of bounds is OOB and has committed a violation even if he is not touching the ball while OOB. I assume this is to be called when he steps on the boundary or OOB. In #3, is the player dribbling? I think so. He was dribbling and the dribble never ended.

[tjones1]

Ahhh yes, for all of Section 3, the ball is dead when the violation occurs.

[Illini_Ref]

Here's a catch. Say A1 is dribbling on a tightrope down the sideline. He loses his balance and steps on the line. A2 continues the dribble. You blowing it dead?

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by tjones1

[Quote:]
Originally Posted by ca_rumperee
If tapped it back, I would say that is legal. If he jumped, controlled the ball, passed it up in the air, came back and caught his pass, I would call a travel.

Why would it be a travel?[/QUOTE]

If player leapt and controlled.... imagine him calling a time out falling out of bounds -- (which I would grant)
He then throws the ball up in the air.... lands out of bounds.... runs back on the court... establishes back onto court and catches the ball. Traveling, no?
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ps. is it only me, or should traveling be spelled travelling?

[Illini_Ref]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Why would it be a travel?

Good question. I agree you can't pass to yourself because that usually requires moving a pivot foot. However, there is no pivot foot here. If you look at case 4.15.4(b), this is an illegal dribble. Tossing and catching after steps without the ball touching the floor is an illegal dribble. Strange, but true.

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Here's a catch. Say A1 is dribbling on a tightrope down the sideline. He loses his balance and steps on the line. A2 continues the dribble. You blowing it dead?

I guess you have to sort out whether he has re-established himself inbounds.