Two violations

[Scrapper1]

B1 disconcerts the free thrower. After the disconcertion, the free thrower continues the motion and releases the free throw, then steps into the lane early.

What happens next?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

B1 disconcerts the free thrower. After the disconcert, the free thrower continues the motion and releases the free throw, then steps into the lane early. What happens next?

If you believe that the disconcertion ion caused the violation, blow the whistle, and do it again. If you don't believe that the disconcertion caused the violation, no basket if successful, go to the arrow.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If you believe that the disconcertion ion caused the violation, blow the whistle, and do it again. If you don't believe that the disconcertion caused the violation, no basket if successful, go to the arrow.

Would I still blow the whistle in the 2nd scenario?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Would I still blow the whistle in the 2nd scenario?

Only if your area does.

[Scrapper1]

Read the penalties section after 9-1 carefully. . .

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Read the penalties section after 9-1 carefully. . .

Scrappy, I'm not sure I follow the question? Penalty 4 c. seems to cover it: B1 disconcerted, A1 violated, so A1 gets a substitute FT. Is your question about what if A1 actually made the first FT? Would you wipe it off and make them shoot it again?

[Back In The Saddle]

NFHS 9-1 Penalties: 4. If there is a violation first by the free-thrower's opponent followed by the free thrower or a teammate:
c. If a violation by the free thrower follows disconcertion by an opponent, a substitute free throw shall be awarded.

It sounds like you have a simultaneous violation because the shooter entered the lane early. Entering the lane early is not a situation you can reasonably "blame" on disconcertion. So blow that shot dead, regardless of whether it is made or missed, and award a replacement throw.

9.1.3.G seems to back this up.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Entering the lane early is not a situation you can reasonably "blame" on disconcertion. .

The OP specifically said, "B1 disconcerts the free thrower." So, penalty C applies, and the free-thrower gets another chance.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The OP specifically said, "B1 disconcerts the free thrower." So, penalty C applies, and the free-thrower gets another chance.

Yes. But does the entering the lane early cause the ball to become dead immediately? Or is it a delayed dead ball? I believe it's a dead ball immediately when the shooter violates.

My statement was meant to convey that I don't believe this to be a situation where you ignore the second violation just because the first one happened.

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Entering the lane early is not a situation you can reasonably "blame" on disconcertion. .

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The OP specifically said, "B1 disconcerts the free thrower." So, penalty C applies, and the free-thrower gets another chance.

"Always listen to Bob."

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

NFHS 9-1 Penalties: 4. If there is a violation first by the free-thrower's opponent followed by the free thrower or a teammate:
c. If a violation by the free thrower follows disconcertion by an opponent, a substitute free throw shall be awarded.

I just thought it was interesting that ANY violation that follows disconcertion is ignored; even if the second violation can't reasonably be "blamed" on the disconcertion.

Disconcertion -> Early entry = Replacement free throw.

Seems like it should be a double violation, but it's not.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I just thought it was interesting that ANY violation that follows disconcertion is ignored; even if the second violation can't reasonably be "blamed" on the disconcertion.

Disconcertion -> Early entry = Replacement free throw.

Seems like it should be a double violation, but it's not.

I guess I was reading it wrong. I was reading simultaneous violation as well (or double violation in NCAA). Or am I? penalty "c" only says "a substitute free throw shall be awarded". That indicates that both penalties are enforced, which some how I managed to get hung up on. And yeah, I'm reading it the way you are now: any violation by the thrower following disconcertion by the opponent, no matter how unrelated the two may seem, results in a new free throw. "Shall."

But then, you still have to exercise judgment in determining whether it was disconcertion or not. And the word disconcert implies a direct cause and effect relationship. So maybe it really is not as black and white as it reads.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

B1 disconcerts the free thrower. After the disconcertion, the free thrower continues the motion and releases the free throw, then steps into the lane early.

What happens next?

Ok, So the free thower gets another FT. Kinda like an offside penalty in FB?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Jump ball

I thought those only happened at the beginning of the game and overtime(s).

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I thought those only happened at the beginning of the game and overtime(s).

Correct about that one, I stand corrected go to the table.