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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 06:11am
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B1 disconcerts the free thrower. After the disconcertion, the free thrower continues the motion and releases the free throw, then steps into the lane early.

What happens next?
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 06:28am
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B1 disconcerts the free thrower. After the disconcert, the free thrower continues the motion and releases the free throw, then steps into the lane early. What happens next?
If you believe that the disconcertion ion caused the violation, blow the whistle, and do it again. If you don't believe that the disconcertion caused the violation, no basket if successful, go to the arrow.
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 07:16am
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If you believe that the disconcertion ion caused the violation, blow the whistle, and do it again. If you don't believe that the disconcertion caused the violation, no basket if successful, go to the arrow.

Would I still blow the whistle in the 2nd scenario?
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Would I still blow the whistle in the 2nd scenario?
Only if your area does.
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 10:11am
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Read the penalties section after 9-1 carefully. . .
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 11:18am
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Read the penalties section after 9-1 carefully. . .
Scrappy, I'm not sure I follow the question? Penalty 4 c. seems to cover it: B1 disconcerted, A1 violated, so A1 gets a substitute FT. Is your question about what if A1 actually made the first FT? Would you wipe it off and make them shoot it again?
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 01:04pm
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NFHS 9-1 Penalties: 4. If there is a violation first by the free-thrower's opponent followed by the free thrower or a teammate:
c. If a violation by the free thrower follows disconcertion by an opponent, a substitute free throw shall be awarded.

It sounds like you have a simultaneous violation because the shooter entered the lane early. Entering the lane early is not a situation you can reasonably "blame" on disconcertion. So blow that shot dead, regardless of whether it is made or missed, and award a replacement throw.

9.1.3.G seems to back this up.
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 01:27pm
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B1 disconcerts the free thrower. After the disconcertion, the free thrower continues the motion and releases the free throw, then steps into the lane early.

What happens next?
Ok, So the free thower gets another FT. Kinda like an offside penalty in FB?
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 01:44pm
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Jump ball
I thought those only happened at the beginning of the game and overtime(s).
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 01:47pm
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Entering the lane early is not a situation you can reasonably "blame" on disconcertion. .
The OP specifically said, "B1 disconcerts the free thrower." So, penalty C applies, and the free-thrower gets another chance.
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 01:54pm
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I thought those only happened at the beginning of the game and overtime(s).

Correct about that one, I stand corrected go to the table.
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 03:38pm
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The OP specifically said, "B1 disconcerts the free thrower." So, penalty C applies, and the free-thrower gets another chance.
Yes. But does the entering the lane early cause the ball to become dead immediately? Or is it a delayed dead ball? I believe it's a dead ball immediately when the shooter violates.

My statement was meant to convey that I don't believe this to be a situation where you ignore the second violation just because the first one happened.
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 03:41pm
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Correct about that one, I stand corrected go to the table.
Go to the table? As in use the arrow?
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 07:23pm
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Entering the lane early is not a situation you can reasonably "blame" on disconcertion. .


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The OP specifically said, "B1 disconcerts the free thrower." So, penalty C applies, and the free-thrower gets another chance.
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Old Thu Oct 23, 2008, 08:48pm
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Go to the table? As in use the arrow?
Yeah, BITS that was my initial response and TJ was pointing out to me about the Jump Ball happening once or twice depending on if we go into overtime. In the situation, the FT'er is entitled to another FT due to the disconcertion
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