Louisville/Michigan- Natl Championship

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

37 fouls in the game..... 4-5 of those fouls by Michigan at the end to get up to 7, to put L'ville in bonus, etc.??? So 'actual' fouls committed was in the low 30's... From my end of the world, that's not a lot of fouls for a game.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

37 ...From my end of the world, that's not a lot of fouls for a game.

You said it right there, "from your end of the world." None of us (presumably) were there, and so no one here knows what directive these officials may have been given by their assigner. Perhaps the NCAA specifically wanted to "let them play" this game.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by rekent

You said it right there, "from your end of the world." None of us (presumably) were there, and so no one here knows what directive these officials may have been given by their assigner. Perhaps the NCAA specifically wanted to "let them play" this game.

Perhaps the NCAA did ('let them play' would infer that fewer fouls were called, right?), however that would contradict the comment that I was responding to... that there were 'a lot of fouls called'.

[icallfouls]

That was a great game. The officiating was just right for this game.

My only issues:
1) Early GT that did not get called
2) Kicked ball that did not get called
3) Incorrect call by L on clean block by Michigan's Burke

Glad that there were no weak held/jump ball calls like there was on Saturday

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

That was a great game. The officiating was just right for this game.

My only issues:
1) Early GT that did not get called
2) Kicked ball that did not get called
3) Incorrect call by L on clean block by Michigan's Burke
4) Incorrect call on 3pt attempt in corner

Glad that there were no weak held/jump ball calls like there was on Saturday

Added #4 and I'm right there with you.

That was a wildly entertaining game. Only a couple of late made 3FGA by Michigan would have made it even better.

The athleticsm, speed and quickness were off the charts.

I have to admit, "the officials might be losing a little bit of control of this game" briefly occurred to me 5 or 6 mins into the game. But, the players handled themselves beautifully, as did the coaches.

Entertaining game. Loved it.

(I'm not a L'ville fan by any stretch, either.)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Added #4 and I'm right there with you.

That would be good if your #4 was actually correct.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That would be good if your #4 was actually correct.

I'd love to see video of it posted here. Replay showed the play was absent of any contact by the defender.

edit: just watched it in a separate thread. camera angles do not reveal any contact.

[Raymond]

I just want to know why Big-12 officials ball watch from the C during uneventful transtions? Multiple times Higgins would have his eyes on the ball handler slowing dribbling up the court while 8 other players are ahead of him.

[michblue]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Added #4 and I'm right there with you.

That was a wildly entertaining game. Only a couple of late made 3FGA by Michigan would have made it even better.

The athleticsm, speed and quickness were off the charts.

I have to admit, "the officials might be losing a little bit of control of this game" briefly occurred to me 5 or 6 mins into the game. But, the players handled themselves beautifully, as did the coaches.

Entertaining game. Loved it.

(I'm not a L'ville fan by any stretch, either.)

I agree with you and icallfouls both.....I thought it was a very entertaining game to watch and I thought the officiating was just right for this type of game. Yes it was physical, but as another poster said it was "big boy" basketball last night. Both of these teams were use to that style of officiating from the regular season.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

It's not difficult to see that they came out with the 'let them play' mentality. Problem is, when you then have a few touch or phantom fouls, it just plain looks bad. I'd rather have the officials set the tone for the game rather than the players.

This game has not benefitted from the 'let them play' philosophy. It has only made them look bad and has drawn more frustration from the players than need be.

Well, I don't remember the touch/phantom calls you're talking about other than the Burke block where it seems the L just reacted and thought he saw something that wasnt there.

And as far as setting a tone and who should do it, that's an argument that can go both ways. What I say in my pre-games is that it should not take us long as a crew to figure out what the game needs and what kind of whistles we need to put in it.

This game had two athletic and aggressive teams. There were many plays that could have had whistles but I think the crew did a good job of passing on marginal contact and was consistent on both ends. IMO, the game did not need more whistles.

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

This is what will stick with me from this game....

The best play of the game (Burke's block) got penalized.

One of the worst plays of the game (Hancock jumping sideways into a defender when shooting from the corner) got rewarded.

What sticks with me is that it was a fast paced, competitive natl championship game where both teams played hard and did not make for the easiest game to officiate but the crew overall did a nice job.

If you want to focus on two plays that's fine but you could do that in almost any basketball game.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yeah, that was the only single play I was disappointed in. I think they could have put a few more whistles on defenders putting theirs hands on dribblers but I felt they allowed the same amount of contact on both ends in the paint and the players adjusted to it.

The Burke block and the kick ball where it looks like the C got straight-lined were the only real plays that stuck out to me.

There was definitely some contact that could have been called but I felt they were consistent on both ends and players adjusted well. As zebraman said earlier and I stated above, it was two athletic, aggressive teams and not an easy contest to officiate but I think they did a nice job.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

37 fouls in the game..... 4-5 of those fouls by Michigan at the end to get up to 7, to put L'ville in bonus, etc.??? So 'actual' fouls committed was in the low 30's... From my end of the world, that's not a lot of fouls for a game.

So they are just under a foul a minute and you think that is not a lot of foul?

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So they are just under a foul a minute and you think that is not a lot of foul?

Peace

I don't know, you're the expert, you tell me. I'm guessing though that Higgins, Greene, and Cahill all must of called a ton of fouls this year as they averaged 33.9, 35.2, and 32.8 FPG respectively this season.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

I don't know, you're the expert, you tell me. I'm guessing though that Higgins, Greene, and Cahill all must of called a ton of fouls this year as they averaged 33.9, 35.2, and 32.8 FPG respectively this season.

I am obviously more of an expert than you are. I work those games and monitor what gets called in my games. I had a game with about (correction) 55 fouls and it was a miserable night as an official. One team shot 38 FTs and the other shot 30 FTs and it was not a fun game in comparison to others. The score was 87-77. And when I told other officials how many fouls we called in that game, they were like "Damn that is a lot of fouls."

Peace

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am obviously more of an expert than you are. I work those games and monitor what gets called in my games. I had a game with about 43 fouls and it was a miserable night as an official. One team shot 38 FTs and the other shot 30 FTs and it was not a fun game in comparison to others. The score was 87-77. And when I told other officials how many fouls we called in that game, they were like "Damn that is a lot of fouls."

Peace

I think crews need to have this kind of awareness. I had a game this year and the crew called 32 fouls in the 1st half. In my opinion it was just too many. The half was excrutiating to be part of. There were too many whistles on marginal contact.

We talked at half, and only had 17 fouls the rest of the game. They were obvious, they fit the game, and they were correct.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

I think crews need to have this kind of awareness. I had a game this year and the crew called 32 fouls in the 1st half. In my opinion it was just too many. The half was excrutiating to be part of. There were too many whistles on marginal contact.

We talked at half, and only had 17 fouls the rest of the game. They were obvious, they fit the game, and they were correct.

ICF -

Great point !!! What usually happens is some guy goes into the locker room at half time thinkin he just got right 7 whistles where he had "and 1's (hate that term), but the reality is he didn't have to call 6 of those because the kid played through marginal contact on all of them. The crew talks about it, players come out at half time referee is more patient and everyone is happy. Same contact occurs, ball goes in bucket and all is well!!!!

I think this is along the line of what Rut is talking about...

Long time ago went to a camp and was told "philisophically speaking" to keep the foul total below 40 and each team shooting less than 20 ft's a night and in most situations this will lead to a good night.....20 years later that statement proved right more often than wrong.....

I will now wait for the purists who don't go to camp to bash me