Louisville/Michigan- Natl Championship

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by rekent

5:09 Second half, good block or good call?

I am leaning toward good block form the camera angles they gave us...

Totally a good block. L is straightlined on the play, so what is he seeing? T should have the best look between players from behind and also for contact up top. Total guess by Greene on that one.....

[rekent]

Usually I am very hesitant to question or criticize, but I am a bit surprised... I was really expecting a heck of a game from an officiating point of view with this crew. I've seen a lot of Higgins games in the Big 12 and he has looked a lot better before.

Is it just the pace of this one that won't slow down that is forcing it?

[maroonx]

Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

That was not a foul. The UL player went to the floor because he got his dunk attempt blocked, not because of some off hand contact.

[APG]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

An official would hold his whistle because that's not a foul at any level of play.

[JRutledge]

That is a great block. I would not have called a foul if I see the entire play. But if that was the only missed call, then they did pretty good. I felt the game overall was well officiated. There are always calls that we can disagree with with slow motion replay.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is a great block. I would not have called a foul if I see the entire play. But if that was the only missed call, then they did pretty good. I felt the game overall was well officiated. There are always calls that we can disagree with with slow motion replay.

Peace

Yeah, that was the only single play I was disappointed in. I think they could have put a few more whistles on defenders putting theirs hands on dribblers but I felt they allowed the same amount of contact on both ends in the paint and the players adjusted to it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

Burke's off-arm got pinned against his own body, what are you talking about?

[pfan1981]

Anyone else worried about how the national media is portraying this game. Saying every game should be officiated like this, Jay whatshisface said, "The officials got out of the way and let the players decide it" I thought officials are there to enforce the rule book to create level play.

Personally I thought the game was very rough. I thought there was contact severe enough to create a disadvantage. On a couple loose balls, there were guys just punching at the ball and striking the opposing players arm. Isn't this a foul?

I don't want to see the trend going this way. It will filter down to all levels. Am I way off base here?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Anyone else worried about how the national media is portraying this game. Saying every game should be officiated like this, Jay whatshisface said, "The officials got out of the way and let the players decide it" I thought officials are there to enforce the rule book to create level play.

Personally I thought the game was very rough. I thought there was contact severe enough to create a disadvantage. On a couple loose balls, there were guys just punching at the ball and striking the opposing players arm. Isn't this a foul?

I don't want to see the trend going this way. It will filter down to all levels. Am I way off base here?

Were you officiating the game? If not then there will always be things that happen you do not like. And I would have to watch the game from a TV perspective, but nothing about that game looked rough anymore than any other game I have seen. There were players going to the basket and when you have defenders contesting shots, you will have contact.

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

And you, of course, being the big-time D-I official that you are, get to tell those lowly high school officials that their opinions and questions don't count.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

37 fouls in the game..... 4-5 of those fouls by Michigan at the end to get up to 7, to put L'ville in bonus, etc.??? So 'actual' fouls committed was in the low 30's... From my end of the world, that's not a lot of fouls for a game.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Were you officiating the game? If not then there will always be things that happen you do not like. And I would have to watch the game from a TV perspective, but nothing about that game looked rough anymore than any other game I have seen. There were players going to the basket and when you have defenders contesting shots, you will have contact.

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

No... the game was rough because the game was rough. (Perhaps you didn't get the angles we all did because you were there... have you seen it on tv yet?)

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

A foul is a foul but that wasn't. The L was blocked out in terms of any potential body contact and the block itself was clean.

I'll bet anything the L wanted that one back the second he blew his whistle. I'll also go all in that he took at peek at the C's face to get some kind of confirmation. I know we can't see his - the C's - face but a blank stare says a lot.

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Anyone else worried about how the national media is portraying this game. Saying every game should be officiated like this, Jay whatshisface said, "The officials got out of the way and let the players decide it" I thought officials are there to enforce the rule book to create level play.

Personally I thought the game was very rough. I thought there was contact severe enough to create a disadvantage. On a couple loose balls, there were guys just punching at the ball and striking the opposing players arm. Isn't this a foul?

I don't want to see the trend going this way. It will filter down to all levels. Am I way off base here?

We're there to enforce the rule book but try to use this as a guideline, no matter the level: Did the crew call the fouls that needed to be called? If the answer is "yes" then things will generally be okay. There were things missed but that's going to be the case every game. D1 kids are very fast and very strong. We're not

Going back to my last BV game a few weeks ago I still go over some of the calls I thought I should have made but the assignor/observer said exactly what I just wrote: "You guys made the calls that needed to be made." Neither team had the advantage tilted in their favor by what we did or didn't do.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

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I don't want to see the trend going this way. It will filter down to all levels. Am I way off base here?

This was the BiG 10 vs. the Big East, probably the 2 most physical conferences in all of basketball (including the NBA). It's "Big Boy" basketball. Wait til you go to a camp full of D1 prospects and with D1 officials observing you. A lot of whistles is not what they will be looking for.