Louisville/Baylor (Women)

[michblue]

Originally Posted by Rich

Saved the crew? Major league flop and bought the call, IMO.

I'm amazed that people can see something so differently.

Having worked at the collegiate level before Rich...I have seen the something different

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The timing speaks to the lengths the L was willing to go to NOT call a foul there.

Can you explain to me why L should have called this earlier? It was a drive initiated in C's area and on C's side of the lane. I thought L kept waiting for C to call something, but finally took it himself.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by michblue

Having worked at the collegiate level before Rich...I have seen the something different

I have worked college ball too and that was about as big of a flop as I have ever seen. The defender threw themselves out of the way and was not at all displaced. If anything the defender falling down made the Baylor player trip over them, but there was no torso contact. And two officials that had a better angle passed on the play.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Can you explain to me why L should have called this earlier? It was a drive initiated in C's area and on C's side of the lane. I thought L kept waiting for C to call something, but finally took it himself.

The play was in transition. Unless Women's Mechanics have a different standard, that play is the Lead's as much as anyone else in the game. And the Lead had the best look as he can see both players coming at the shooter.

Peace

[michblue]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have worked college ball too and that was about as big of a flop as I have ever seen. The defender threw themselves out of the way and was not at all displaced. If anything the defender falling down made the Baylor player trip over them, but there was no torso contact. And two officials that had a better angle passed on the play.

Peace

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

[michblue]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The play was in transition. Unless Women's Mechanics have a different standard, that play is the Lead's as much as anyone else in the game. And the Lead had the best look as he can see both players coming at the shooter.

Peace

In the women's game...this is normally the C's call...but was probably straight lined because of it being in transition.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by michblue

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

Are you thinking of a different play, or am I misremembering it? I don't recall the Baylor player going to the floor. She got twisted in the defender's legs while the defender was lying on the floor, but that was about it.
Never mind. Just saw the replay, they were both on the floor. Still think it was a flop, and a trip on the defender while lying on the floor.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by michblue

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

Based on what action by A1 do you have PC on that play.

[4-40]

Originally Posted by michblue

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

How about just knowing how/why both players went to the floor? The defender flopped and the contact didn't affect the offensive player's movement (she passed the ball to an open teammate without incident).

[michblue]

Originally Posted by 4-40

How about just knowing how/why both players went to the floor? The defender flopped and the contact didn't affect the offensive player's movement (she passed the ball to an open teammate without incident).

On some plays, I agree with your point 4-40, but not on a block/charge play.

[ref3808]

Just saw the game package on ESPN - thought it was a flop. Rare to hear comments like Mulkey's during the press conference. She pretty much put the loss on the officials.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ref3808

Just saw the game package on ESPN - thought it was a flop. Rare to hear comments like Mulkey's during the press conference. She pretty much put the loss on the officials.

Which was complete rubbish, even though I think the charge call was wrong. They had the ball right after that, got the lead, and then had to commit a transition foul because their defense was a sieve.

[4-40]

Originally Posted by michblue

On some plays, I agree with your point 4-40, but not on a block/charge play.

I don't think this is a true block/charge. As stated earlier in this thread, the only contact is initiated by defender's lower body when she flops. I thought this when I originally saw the play on espn. The offensive player is turning to pass before the contact, so I don't believe this play warrants a whistle either way, especially at this level.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

Which was complete rubbish, even though I think the charge call was wrong. They had the ball right after that, got the lead, and then had to commit a transition foul because their defense was a sieve.

I don't think she puts the loss on the officials. She initially tried to say Griner didn't commit a foul on the last shot but then a reporter tells her it was a foul. I think mostly her griping was aimed at the terrible PC call, the poor job the officials did in putting a whistle on physical plays early in the game, and the obvious taunting T that should have been called on Louisville after an "And-1". From the clips I saw I would say this game will not make any of these officials retirement videos.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by michblue

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

This is why I said it's the exception to the rule. Normally if two players go to the floor, I'd have a call. Except the player with the ball didn't go through the defender -- she flopped big time. Not going to put the foul on the flopper, so I'd no call that.

If someone says that's an IC after that, so be it. I'm not going to reward someone who flops like that.