Louisville/Baylor (Women)

[michblue]

Originally Posted by Rich

Saved the crew? Major league flop and bought the call, IMO.

I'm amazed that people can see something so differently.

Having worked at the collegiate level before Rich...I have seen the something different

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by michblue

Having worked at the collegiate level before Rich...I have seen the something different

I have worked college ball too and that was about as big of a flop as I have ever seen. The defender threw themselves out of the way and was not at all displaced. If anything the defender falling down made the Baylor player trip over them, but there was no torso contact. And two officials that had a better angle passed on the play.

Peace

[michblue]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have worked college ball too and that was about as big of a flop as I have ever seen. The defender threw themselves out of the way and was not at all displaced. If anything the defender falling down made the Baylor player trip over them, but there was no torso contact. And two officials that had a better angle passed on the play.

Peace

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by michblue

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

Are you thinking of a different play, or am I misremembering it? I don't recall the Baylor player going to the floor. She got twisted in the defender's legs while the defender was lying on the floor, but that was about it.
Never mind. Just saw the replay, they were both on the floor. Still think it was a flop, and a trip on the defender while lying on the floor.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by michblue

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

Based on what action by A1 do you have PC on that play.

[4-40]

Originally Posted by michblue

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

How about just knowing how/why both players went to the floor? The defender flopped and the contact didn't affect the offensive player's movement (she passed the ball to an open teammate without incident).

[michblue]

Originally Posted by 4-40

How about just knowing how/why both players went to the floor? The defender flopped and the contact didn't affect the offensive player's movement (she passed the ball to an open teammate without incident).

On some plays, I agree with your point 4-40, but not on a block/charge play.

[4-40]

Originally Posted by michblue

On some plays, I agree with your point 4-40, but not on a block/charge play.

I don't think this is a true block/charge. As stated earlier in this thread, the only contact is initiated by defender's lower body when she flops. I thought this when I originally saw the play on espn. The offensive player is turning to pass before the contact, so I don't believe this play warrants a whistle either way, especially at this level.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by michblue

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

This is why I said it's the exception to the rule. Normally if two players go to the floor, I'd have a call. Except the player with the ball didn't go through the defender -- she flopped big time. Not going to put the foul on the flopper, so I'd no call that.

If someone says that's an IC after that, so be it. I'm not going to reward someone who flops like that.

[HawkeyeCubP]

This is killing me. I missed the game. Where are our video gurus?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

This is killing me. I missed the game. Where are our video gurus?

Busy clipping from the other Louisville win.

[michblue]

Then I will agree to disagree with some...I still say charge and applaud the T for coming and getting the call no matter how late the whistle.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by michblue

Then I will agree to disagree with some...I still say charge and applaud the T for coming and getting the call no matter how late the whistle.

That's terrible.

[chapmaja]

I only watched a couple moments of this game. What I saw of the officiating did not impress me one bit. I fully admit, I am not the best ref in the world, and mostly work rec league and middle school games.

The first really bad missed call I saw was the charge on Louisville that lead to the T for the coach. The defender clearly slide under the shooter after she left the floor. That is a blocking foul, not a charge. Had that call been called correctly the T is never called, which could have had a major impact on the game.

My first reaction to the charge call on Baylor very late was it was a correct call. After seeing the replay, I'm not so sure, but I will give the benefit of the doubt to the official on the call of a charge. What I had a problem with was the lateness of the call.

It was the same lateness that happened on the last foul called against Baylor on Louisville last ditch effort. The official seemed scared to make a call and called the foul WAY late.

Also can someone please explain why Louisville's coach was given a T, but Baylor's coach, and the Baylor bench was not given a T after the late call they disagreed with?

Overall just what I saw was very poor officiating, and I only saw a small portion of the game.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by michblue

However Rich, both players went to the floor and thus a call needed to be made and I agree with the call. It was a charge.

That play was a prime example of why I HATE this phrase and really think it should be removed from the thinking of officials doing HS varsity level and above.

What this phrase does is essentially say, if bodies are on the floor and you don't know what to call, just call something and guess. And that's what IMO the T did here. The other two officials, who were in much better position to referee the defense, passed for a reason.

It was a BIG time flop. At the point of contact the offensive player's movement is going up. The defender throws her upper body back to draw the call and was rewarded for her acting job by the official in the worst position to see it. BIG time flop.

I guess the phrase is fine for lower levels of play where you need to remind less experienced officials to put air in the whistle on some plays. But there is no reason that experienced officials should feel the need to HAVE to have a whistle simply b/c bodies are on the floor. As long as they know how they got there and refereed the defense they should be fine.