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[JRutledge]

If you have to freeze a photo determine something, then it is not as clear as you say it is.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you have to freeze a photo determine something, then it is not as clear as you say it is.

Peace

Some of us, including the announcers, didn't need to freeze it.

[4-40]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Some of us, including the announcers, didn't need to freeze it.

So the announcers guessed correctly on a play that looked awkward and "video" supported it this time. It's certainly not blant enough to be as adamant as they were about it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Some of us, including the announcers, didn't need to freeze it.

And once again, a lot of high school officials call anything looking funny to them as a travel. You even used a standard that was not rule based and now because there is a still picture that shows a foot on the ground, but we cannot see control, now I am supposed to agree with the announcers?

I have said this before, if you have to slow something down to determine something, then it is not obvious enough to call. And it was not obvious (it still isn't). And if guys are calling this, they will call ones that are not there because of how it looks and not what actually happened.

This play looks like a video I showed a while ago.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And once again, a lot of high school officials call anything looking funny to them as a travel. You even used a standard that was not rule based and now because there is a still picture that shows a foot on the ground, but we cannot see control, now I am supposed to agree with the announcers?

I have said this before, if you have to slow something down to determine something, then it is not obvious enough to call. And it was not obvious (it still isn't). And if guys are calling this, they will call ones that are not there because of how it looks and not what actually happened.

This play looks like a video I showed a while ago.

Peace

I agree with all the philosophy stuff you've been saying.

But, this one was obvious to me. I saw the posted play. I judged it to be a travel. Then I read the first few comments about how it wasn't. I went back for a closer look. Still a travel to me.

And, just becasue someone did (or might) call this one does NOT mean that they are guessing and might get some others wrong.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree with all the philosophy stuff you've been saying.

But, this one was obvious to me. I saw the posted play. I judged it to be a travel. Then I read the first few comments about how it wasn't. I went back for a closer look. Still a travel to me.

And, just becasue someone did (or might) call this one does NOT mean that they are guessing and might get some others wrong.

Bob, when I have run camps and had HS officials call travels, I often ask them "Which foot was the pivot foot?" Do you realize most look at me with the "I don't know stare." May point is if you are going to call a travel, say why it was a travel, not tell me things that, "He took too many steps" or " "Well he moved from outside the 3 point line." If it was obvious, then that would have never been stated. If it was obvious then you those would have said, The left foot is the pivot foot and he put it back down after he had control. Honestly I think people here got "lucky" rather than knowing why it was a travel.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Bob, when I have run camps and had HS officials call travels, I often ask them "Which foot was the pivot foot?" Do you realize most look at me with the "I don't know stare." May point is if you are going to call a travel, say why it was a travel, not tell me things that, "He took too many steps" or " "Well he moved from outside the 3 point line." If it was obvious, then that would have never been stated. If it was obvious then you those would have said, The left foot is the pivot foot and he put it back down after he had control. Honestly I think people here got "lucky" rather than knowing why it was a travel.

Peace

I do realize that, and I've seen that stare.

But all(?) who in this thread are claiming it was a travel are pretty clearly saying it's because the left foot was the pivot and was put back on the ground.

The announcers, on the other hand, ...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I do realize that, and I've seen that stare.

But all(?) who in this thread are claiming it was a travel are pretty clearly saying it's because the left foot was the pivot and was put back on the ground.

The announcers, on the other hand, ...

All of them did not state that Bob. Some even said they had nothing until it was shown slowed down and the still. Again, we get one shot, not 20 looks.

Peace

[just another ref]

It is possible to correctly call a travel and never know which foot was the pivot.

Player catches the ball with one or both feet on the floor, does a 360 degree spin and winds up several feet away with both feet on the floor again prior to releasing a shot. This is a travel, whether I actually saw his feet move or not. If you want to put it that way, the call was (correctly) made "because it looked funny."

This, in my opinion, is considerably better than missing the call, for whatever reason.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I do realize that, and I've seen that stare.

But all(?) who in this thread are claiming it was a travel are pretty clearly saying it's because the left foot was the pivot and was put back on the ground.

The announcers, on the other hand, ...

Semantics?

How can you take the third alternating-foot step without putting your pivot foot down again?