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[JRutledge]

If you have to freeze a photo determine something, then it is not as clear as you say it is.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

If that isn't the end of a dribble, what is? Left foot on the floor. He is going to take three steps, right, left, right.

Agree. Dribble ended. Pivot foot left. Travel.

[4-40]

Originally Posted by OKREF

If that isn't the end of a dribble, what is? Left foot on the floor. He is going to take three steps, right, left, right.

Clearly a travel in a still shot, but he only takes two steps (right, left). However, the second step is the pivot foot returning to the floor. To say this is clearly a travel at real-speed is a farce, in my opinion. It looked funny, but strange isn't necessarily illegal. I have no problems without a whistle on this play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by 4-40

Clearly a travel in a still shot, but he only takes two steps (right, left). However, the second step is the pivot foot returning to the floor. To say this is clearly a travel at real-speed is a farce, in my opinion. It looked funny, but strange isn't necessarily illegal. I have no problems without a whistle on this play.

It is fine to have no whistle on this play...I can accept that as too close to call live. But, it IS a travel and not being able to see it live doesn't ever change what it was.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you have to freeze a photo determine something, then it is not as clear as you say it is.

Peace

Some of us, including the announcers, didn't need to freeze it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

#1 the problem with the travel on the finishing steps is is going to come down to determination of when the player gathered. I actually think there may be a travel on the inital take of as he appears to jump with both feet and reach out with the ball but not actually push in to the floor until he's left the floor and is moving past defense.
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In my original thread I mentioned that he travelled at the start of his dribble, but in real time it would have been hard to pick up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is fine to have no whistle on this play...I can accept that as too close to call live. But, it IS a travel and not being able to see it live doesn't ever change what it was.

It is a travel in your judgment, do not speak for the rest of us or claim that this has to have a call. We do not officiating in still photos and honestly I do not see a foot clearly on the floor and I do not see clear possession. It is a still photo, it is not how we call the game.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I thought play one was a travel when I saw it live. In my humble opinion the replay confirms it for me. He picks the ball up with his left foot on the floor. steps with right, steps with left and doesn't shoot or pass before it hits again.

Originally Posted by 4-40

Clearly a travel in a still shot, but he only takes two steps (right, left). However, the second step is the pivot foot returning to the floor. To say this is clearly a travel at real-speed is a farce, in my opinion. It looked funny, but strange isn't necessarily illegal. I have no problems without a whistle on this play.

As you can see from my first post I thought it was a travel when I was watching the game live. He also takes three steps. He takes another step after his left foot hits the floor and jumps off his right foot to shoot.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

If that isn't the end of a dribble, what is? Left foot on the floor. He is going to take three steps, right, left, right.

I agree it's a travel but not b/c of "right, left, right". It's because of "lifts left foot (pivot) and replants it to jump.

Originally Posted by OKREF

As you can see from my first post I thought it was a travel when I was watching the game live. He also takes three steps. He takes another step after his left foot hits the floor and jumps off his right foot to shoot.

He jumped of his left foot.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

As you can see from my first post I thought it was a travel when I was watching the game live. He also takes three steps. He takes another step after his left foot hits the floor and jumps off his right foot to shoot.

And where is steps in the rulebook again? That is about as bad as saying how far he traveled on the floor (pun intended).

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I agree it's a travel but not b/c of "right, left, right". It's because of "lifts left foot (pivot) and replants it to jump.



He jumped of his left foot.

You're correct, my mistake. Still a travel.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Originally Posted by JRutledge

honestly I do not see a foot clearly on the floor and I do not see clear possession.
Peace

Really? I know we don't deal in still photos, all I'm saying is I saw it in real time

[4-40]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Some of us, including the announcers, didn't need to freeze it.

So the announcers guessed correctly on a play that looked awkward and "video" supported it this time. It's certainly not blant enough to be as adamant as they were about it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Some of us, including the announcers, didn't need to freeze it.

And once again, a lot of high school officials call anything looking funny to them as a travel. You even used a standard that was not rule based and now because there is a still picture that shows a foot on the ground, but we cannot see control, now I am supposed to agree with the announcers?

I have said this before, if you have to slow something down to determine something, then it is not obvious enough to call. And it was not obvious (it still isn't). And if guys are calling this, they will call ones that are not there because of how it looks and not what actually happened.

This play looks like a video I showed a while ago.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And where is steps in the rulebook again? That is about as bad as saying how far he traveled on the floor (pun intended).

Peace

I know steps isn't in the rule book. Just my way of saying lifting the pivot foot and returning to the floor without shooting or passing. I will try to work on that.