Syracuse-Indiana clips(s)

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is overstated because all spin moves are not travels. Yes are there spin moves that are illegal, but certainly not all of them or even most of them. So Adam was correct in his response.

Peace

JRut, you did not even think Play #1 in this thread was a travel.

Most are violations. In MOST the player ends dribble/gathers ball with a pivot down that is picked up and returned to the floor before the TRY is released.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by just another ref

+1 See play # 2 Michigan St.- Duke clips

EXACTLY! Play #2 on that thread is what I am talking about. If you look at almost EVERY spin move you will see this action with the pivot foot. It's really easy to see, especially when you prepare yourself by watching these types of plays over and over again.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

JRut, you did not even think Play #1 in this thread was a travel.

Most are violations. In MOST the player ends dribble/gathers ball with a pivot down that is picked up and returned to the floor before the TRY is released.

I still don't, but that does not mean that your comment was not overstated in incorrect.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I have never used it to make the call either, but physics plays a part in most things. Show me a video and I may say, "Gee, you're right. That's easier than I thought."

Then why bring it up...first it's stupid to complain about a player going 17 feet (according to you) without a dribble. The guy is 6'6! If you really want to go down this line of thinking it's very conceivable that a player could cover this ground without a dribble...especially with momentum (like the player had here). And no physics don't play a part in adjudicating this play. This line of thinking (distance covered) is the crap that gets officials to call legal plays travels because they looked funny.

Now do I think the player traveled here? I do, but he was pretty damn close to gathering the ball with both feet in the air. This no where near as obvious as you made it out to be. You also exaggerated this play saying he ended his dribble at the 3 point line. The guy is a good foot or two inside the 3 point line.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

Then why bring it up...first it's stupid to complain about a player going 17 feet (according to you) without a dribble. The guy is 6'6! If you really want to go down this line of thinking it's very conceivable that a player could cover this ground without a dribble...especially with momentum (like the player had here). And no physics don't play a part in adjudicating this play. This line of thinking (distance covered) is the crap that gets officials to call legal plays travels because they looked funny.

Now do I think the player traveled here? I do, but he was pretty damn close to gathering the ball with both feet in the air. This no where near as obvious as you made it out to be. You also exaggerated this play saying he ended his dribble at the 3 point line. The guy is a good foot or two inside the 3 point line.

+1000

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

Then why bring it up...

I was asked why I thought it was obvious. This was a part of my description. Sorry if that offends you. The last dribble was very close to the 3 point line. The pivot was on the floor in the circle well above the free throw line. He jumped off that same foot and laid the ball in. This was a travel that was easy enough to see in real time, and yes, blatant and very obvious is slow motion. The reasonable people now pretty much agree that is was a travel, now we must discuss further what constitutes blatant and obvious.

I'll tell you what does. ALL THREE of the plays from the Duke game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

You might be shocked if you looked spin moves where the player ends a dribble and then attempts a try. There are four of us officials where the running game is to find one that is NOT ... and it is hard.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is overstated because all spin moves are not travels. Yes are there spin moves that are illegal, but certainly not all of them or even most of them. So Adam was correct in his response.

Peace

Exactly. He said "almost all" of them are travels. That's overstating. Even saying "most" of them is debatable, at best. I'm good with my assessment of his hyperbole.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Adam

Exactly. He said "almost all" of them are travels. That's overstating. Even saying "most" of them is debatable, at best. I'm good with my assessment of his hyperbole.

Adam, if you have DVR watch every spin move you see in next week's Final Four games where the player ends dribble and then attempts a shot.