Syracuse-Indiana clips(s)

[bob jenkins]

If you stop the video at 11 seconds, the player has both hands on the ball and the left foot on the ground (just outside the FT circle).

When the left foot touches again, it's a travel.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you stop the video at 11 seconds, the player has both hands on the ball and the left foot on the ground (just outside the FT circle).

When the left foot touches again, it's a travel.

From this angle you can't tell the exact moment the gather takes place, but I'm placing it at the free throw line, at which time his left toe may be on the ground.

[VaTerp]

On replay play #1 MIGHT be a travel.

And that's why it wasn't and shouldn't be called.

The announcers don't know what they are talking about. And the reasoning in the other thread that it was an obvious travel b/c of the distance covered is flawed. Good basketball players get to the basket on two dribbles all the time from 28' in.

[Johnny Ringo]

Play #1 is a travel. I actually DVR this play when it happened. He has ended his dribble (gathered two hands on the ball) with left foot on the ground, making it the pivot. A travel occurs when pivot foot returns to the floor and ball is still in his grasp - this happened in this play.

[APG]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

On replay play #1 MIGHT be a travel.

And that's why it wasn't and shouldn't be called.

The announcers don't know what they are talking about. And the reasoning in the other thread that it was an obvious travel b/c of the distance covered is flawed. Good basketball players get to the basket on two dribbles all the time from 28' in.

Distance covered is an awful way to try to adjudicate these type of plays (and I know it wasn't you that brought this up). If you're 6'6 (as is listed for the player in the clip above), of course you're very easily going to cover a lot of distance.

[JRutledge]

Sorry, not seeing a travel here.

Peace

[Zoochy]

I am not going to be 'That Guy' calling travel.
Just because it might look bad, does not indicate that it is a violation!
And not all athletic moves are legal!

[JRutledge]

I clearly have his right foot as the pivot foot. I do not even know how you think the left foot is his pivot foot as he had not gathered the ball yet. Both hands do not hit the ball until his left foot is on the ball. Do people really consider the ball coming to "rest" any earlier than that? And if you do, are you going to make that determination that fast?

If that is called, I can only wonder what other bad travels people call?

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you stop the video at 11 seconds, the player has both hands on the ball and the left foot on the ground (just outside the FT circle).

When the left foot touches again, it's a travel.

Exactly. This is clearly a travel, I thought it was when I saw it live.

[JetMetFan]

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

If that isn't the end of a dribble, what is? Left foot on the floor. He is going to take three steps, right, left, right.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

If that isn't the end of a dribble, what is? Left foot on the floor. He is going to take three steps, right, left, right.

Nice photo. I stand corrected.

[JRutledge]

If you have to freeze a photo determine something, then it is not as clear as you say it is.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you have to freeze a photo determine something, then it is not as clear as you say it is.

Peace

Some of us, including the announcers, didn't need to freeze it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Some of us, including the announcers, didn't need to freeze it.

And once again, a lot of high school officials call anything looking funny to them as a travel. You even used a standard that was not rule based and now because there is a still picture that shows a foot on the ground, but we cannot see control, now I am supposed to agree with the announcers?

I have said this before, if you have to slow something down to determine something, then it is not obvious enough to call. And it was not obvious (it still isn't). And if guys are calling this, they will call ones that are not there because of how it looks and not what actually happened.

This play looks like a video I showed a while ago.

Peace