Illegal Screen/Technical video--your thoughts?

[ref3808]

I have no problem with the illegal screen ruling. I think the screener set his legs outside the allowable frame and there was a bit of a push there as well. Having said that, I've seen worse than that not ruled as illegal.

In any case, the coach simply doesn't get to act that way and disrespect the game and the officials. Not in a scrimmage, not in a regular season game and not in a playoff game. In my opinion officials hesitate far too often to take care of business when the coach's behavior is unacceptable. The coach is supposed to set the standard for his team. Is that the standard we want set?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ref3808

I have no problem with the illegal screen ruling. I think the screener set his legs outside the allowable frame and there was a bit of a push there as well. Having said that, I've seen worse than that not ruled as illegal.

That would all be great but the contact was with his torso, not his legs. It is not illegal to set up badly, it is illegal if that is where the contact takes place.

Peace

[REFANDUMP]

If you kick the call and you call the "T", it's your fault, not his !!! If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

If you kick the call and you call the "T", it's your fault, not his !!! If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

In this play there was no "kicked call". There's debate on whether or not it was a good call, but that doesn't make it a "kicked call". It was a judgment call. The coach doesn't get to act a fool b/c he doesn't agree with judgment.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

If you kick the call and you call the "T", it's your fault, not his !!! If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Says who?

I do not care how bad a call is, a coach is only going to go so far without penalty. And if a coach thinks so, run into the wrong officials and test that theory.

Peace

[REFANDUMP]

I agree that there are limits. There are some here who think those limits are the same whether we're right or wrong. I don't feel that way. Typically, I'll let him vent a little, then give him a stop sign. If he continues, it's "T" time for me, regardless of how bad my call is.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

I agree that there are limits. There are some here who think those limits are the same whether we're right or wrong. I don't feel that way. Typically, I'll let him vent a little, then give him a stop sign. If he continues, it's "T" time for me, regardless of how bad my call is.

And that is fine, but not everyone feels the way you do. And since this was a partner that gave the T, the partner might not know why something was called or not call, but only is knowledgable of the reaction. And as said this was not a "blown call." It might have been something some of us would have passed on or might have called if other similar calls were made. But there was contact there for sure.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

I agree that there are limits. There are some here who think those limits are the same whether we're right or wrong. I don't feel that way. Typically, I'll let him vent a little, then give him a stop sign. If he continues, it's "T" time for me, regardless of how bad my call is.

Again, virtually every time a coach gets cranky, it's because he thinks we missed a call. More often than not (let's lowball the estimate at 80%), we got the call right (like in the OP). Should we allow that, too?

Besides, most of us have clarified that we'd allow the coach to vent quietly, but the public stomp is off limits. And I won't be giving a stop sign. If I'm not going to allow him to show me up publicly, why would I do that to him? No, I'll be close enough to tell him when he's reached his limit.

[REFANDUMP]

I agree that it was not a blown call, but a judgement call which you could make a case for either way. In this situation, I would have no problem calling the "T". In my judgement, the "T" is best called by the official who the coach is on, but I understand (as Cameron stated well) that protocol may be different in different areas of the country. My point (that I still stand by) is that we need to be able to take more heat when we know we kick a call, than when we know we are correct. I agree that this doesn't give coaches an open invitation to abuse us with no consequences, but I also think our tolerance level should be much higher in these situations. I think to expect a coach to sit there and take it when we both know we screwed them (not intentionally, I know) is an unrealistic expectation.