Illegal Screen/Technical video--your thoughts?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I'm not saying its the case here, as clearly even without sound its targeted at officials. I'm just trying to point out that being demonstrative alone is not enough to earn a T. If he stops his feet and waves his arm but is getting his players attention and ripping into them for going off plan, or playing undisiciplined and is directing traffic as he chews out his players to be better that can't/shouldn't be a T.

In the case of the video it was clearly linked to the call, but being a stomper/waver/wall puncher/clip board tosser etc. Isn't enough to get a T. If its not being directed at officials or accompanied by statements or actions that indicate a correlaton to the call coaches can act like children if they want.

So where is your line? Coach slams his clipboard down on the court and that is OK with you? What if he kicks a chair over? What if he steps to the table and does a big arm sweep and sends the scorebook flying? What if he grabs a towel and starts swinging it and beating the crap out of his chair with it?

As long as you think he is just mad at his players, all those things are OK? It is a serious question...those things are really OK with you?

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So where is your line? Coach slams his clipboard down on the court and that is OK with you? What if he kicks a chair over? What if he steps to the table and does a big arm sweep and sends the scorebook flying? What if he grabs a towel and starts swinging it and beating the crap out of his chair with it?

As long as you think he is just mad at his players, all those things are OK? It is a serious question...those things are really OK with you?

I don't think "the line" can be a behaviour in these many cases as much as it is context, percieved intent, impact on the game and game area etc.

If I call a travel and the coach slams his clipboard and picks it and mutters to himself I might have something or at least be on the alert for an ABS issue. If the play is going on and his kid turns it over and he slams the clipboard jumps and starts grabbing a player of the bench barking about what he needs him to do and who he's going in for and why . .. how much of that am I even going to pay attention to or acknowledge.

If the coach is up and active all game long yelling at players, calling stuff out, being competitive/demanding and reacting visibly to each play stomping on bad play by his/her team or fist pumping and clapping/running on every shot. Then I'm not going to T him up for being passionate or emotive. Now once its directed at me, or negatively impacts the game or incites the crowd in a negative way we would have a problem.

To answer your questions:

IF a coach slams his clipboard am I ok with that. Why is the clipboard being slammed? Was it already in his hands coming out of a timeout when they break up the play and turn it over so he's tossing in disgust behind his bench. Is he slamming down in a timeout to get his player's attention? Did I just call a 50-50 that went against him and its hitting the sideline or the playing area? Did he rifle it B Knight style at a free throw shooter? Some of these are obvious t's, some might be t's, some are not even getting acknowledged by me or in my area. I can't tell you that the line is the coach slamming the clipboard cause that's not true.

What if he kicks over a chair? What if he does the ole awe shucks shuffle after his kid misses an open look and the chair accidently get knocked over? What if he's upset at a call bust a chair with his foot? What if in a timeout a hear a chair go over and know the coach is upset but i just see someone picking up a chair? The behaviour again is not the only issue on its own.

What if he's up on the table and knocks the scorebook? Well now we're being specific to being out of the box, delaying the game, and most likely intimidating minor officials. So the T and/ toss is coming.

If he grabs the towel and beats the chair? Is it ongoing? HOw would I notice unless it keeps going on or its in response to a stoppage? Does he/she appear out of control or simply ludicrous? Too many factors?

Player and coaches having emotional responses are not enough to give them a T. The nature of the reaction, the situation it happens in, and any number of contextual factors can impact it.