Illegal Screen/Technical video--your thoughts?

[paulsonj72]

If this is the game I think it is, it was a Class 2A qf last Wedensday in the Minnesota state tournament and the team in Blue was trailing by 4 points at 50-46 with 1:23 left to go in the game when this call was made. Had the call on the illigeal screen gone the other way it would have not resulted in free throws thougha the team in Blue was not in the bonus yet. Taht woud ahve only been the 6th team foul. My guess is the reaction was due to the time and score. Still though coches need to keep composure in a close game like that

[JRutledge]

I would like to see other screens in that game to see if that was called consistently. I think it was kind of "weak" but I can see why it was called. It is just a tough play to call every time correctly.

I was not a fan of the "wave" being a T, but that seems to be what others expect. So if that is the standard without hearing words I guess that is OK.

Peace

[paulsonj72]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would like to see other screens in that game to see if that was called consistently. I think it was kind of "weak" but I can see why it was called. It is just a tough play to call every time correctly.

I was not a fan of the "wave" being a T, but that seems to be what others expect. So if that is the standard without hearing words I guess that is OK.

Peace

It would have to be video that was shot at the game by spectators as QF games in MN are not televised anywhere OTA, cable or online

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would like to see other screens in that game to see if that was called consistently. I think it was kind of "weak" but I can see why it was called. It is just a tough play to call every time correctly.

I was not a fan of the "wave" being a T, but that seems to be what others expect. So if that is the standard without hearing words I guess that is OK.

Peace

I'd also like to see how screens were called in the game and agree that this call looks somewhat weak and marginal to me.

As for the T, that seems to be much more than a simple "wave." The stomping on the court, the gestures toward the officials.....way too demonstrative and easily T worthy IMO.

And I agree with what was stated above that the C should have handled this. At the very least he should have addressed the coach. He seems to only be concerned with tossing the ball to the L who misses the ball as he TCB.

Does not make the crew look good.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I'd also like to see how screens were called in the game and agree that this call looks somewhat weak and marginal to me.

As for the T, that seems to be much more than a simple "wave." The stomping on the court, the gestures toward the officials.....way too demonstrative and easily T worthy IMO.

And I agree with what was stated above that the C should have handled this. At the very least he should have addressed the coach. He seems to only be concerned with tossing the ball to the L who misses the ball as he TCB.

Does not make the crew look good.

I guess I have been told recently that the "wave" is so over the top that it must get a T no matter when they give one. I never used that standard but have given Ts for other things. I have been criticized for giving Ts for actual language and other behavior and suggestion of integrity, but somehow the "wave" must be penalized at all times. And yes if the coach did more I have no problem with the T anyway. The officials were there and they know what was said and done in this situation and done previously. I have a hard time trying to judge someone for what they give a T for without hearing their side of the story. This might have been the 5th time the coach did something and then was warned. I just am not a fan if the "wave" was the first time a coach reacted, but some feel that is over the top.

Peace

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I guess I have been told recently that the "wave" is so over the top that it must get a T no matter when they give one. I never used that standard but have given Ts for other things. I have been criticized for giving Ts for actual language and other behavior and suggestion of integrity, but somehow the "wave" must be penalized at all times. And yes if the coach did more I have no problem with the T anyway. The officials were there and they know what was said and done in this situation and done previously. I have a hard time trying to judge someone for what they give a T for without hearing their side of the story. This might have been the 5th time the coach did something and then was warned. I just am not a fan if the "wave" was the first time a coach reacted, but some feel that is over the top.

Peace

I hear ya. For me a simple wave off is not automatic either. I consider all of the other factors you mentioned.

Just from the video though I think the coach is way too demonstrative in his protest of the call. And that's without even hearing what was said in additon to the gestures.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I hear ya. For me a simple wave off is not automatic either. I consider all of the other factors you mentioned.

Just from the video though I think the coach is way too demonstrative in his protest of the call. And that's without even hearing what was said in additon to the gestures.

To some his behavior was too demonstrative, but then again I would like to know what other actions were tolerated. These issues are often not confined to a bubble and if other actions were allowed similarity, I would probably suggest this could have been passed on. Then again, the officials were there and all we are seeing is a muted version of the play.

Peace

[Adam]

Would love to see the C get this screen, but I don't think it's a horrible call for T. i personally would have liked to see the T or C get the technical, though. If T isn't going to take care of it (the coach is yelling at him), the C should do it since he's practically in the coaching box. The L is the last resort, which might be why it's so delayed after the foot stomp.

I love the coach's "what was that for" look after he realizes he's earned a seat belt.

[JetMetFan]

C looked like he was just going to ignore the whole thing with the coach. Maybe he'd heard so much from the guy during the game he just tuned him out? Not a great reason to miss a foot stomp but it happens.

[Pantherdreams]

As others have mentioned out of the context of the rest of the game its hard to judge where both the screen and the coaches actions fall. I also don't have sound (I assume that trus for everyone?) so I'm just seeing the coaches actions.

Screen: From this far away its hard to pick up anything that would have me calling that illegal. If that is an illegal screen in my neck of the woods no screens are being set in games that aren't fouls.

Coach: The jumping and stomping alone is not enough for a T. Coaches can be a demonstrative as they want, but I assume its targeted at the officials and things are being said that call their judgement into question in which case he's probablly asking for it.