LaSalle/Ole Miss (Video Added)

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I respect your opinion Rut. However, to say that he just said, "that's awful" is simplifying the play. He was absolutely reaming the trail and then stood saying "that's awful" four times knowing full well that everyone in the gym was focused on him during the free throws. I see people throw punches at each other for far less "disrespect" in public, but somehow we officials think that it's OK for someone to publicly denigrate us like that.

Let's clarify a couple of things:
1) you've used the phrase "absolutely reaming the trail" repeatedly...I can only assume that you're basing that on his actions/body language and NOT what he actually said (since only two people - the coach and the Trail - know what was said). There are ways to address this, if you think it's a problem, and a T isn't one of them. Situationally speaking, a Tech at this point DOESN'T make the game better!

2) Very few, if any people in the arena were focused on the coach during the FT's. You are focused on him only because one camera (whose sole focus is reaction shots of game participants) showed his comments. "That's Awful!" x 4 may get addressed in a lower level game, but not in a D1 game - let alone an NCAA Tournament game. Simply put, it's "water off a ducks back".

3) Comparing a basketball game to what happens in "public" is a poor attempt at explaining your viewpoint. The two environments have no relationship with each other in any way, shape, or form. When an actual fight occurs on the court, police are not called to investigate and recommend charges to the local prosecutor.

Overall, I understand your viewpoint. YOU would have addressed/handled, in some form or fashion, the comments/actions of the LaSalle coach. Others on this forum, myself included, would not have considered those comments (which only the Trail heard) or actions (which few, if any, saw) worthy of comment or significant action. In short, this situation would not have interfered with my ability to officiate the remainder of the game. Therefore, I would not have focused much attention on it.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Let's clarify a couple of things:
1) you've used the phrase "absolutely reaming the trail" repeatedly...I can only assume that you're basing that on his actions/body language and NOT what he actually said (since only two people - the coach and the Trail - know what was said).

I don't have to be a genius to know from his actions and body language that he wasn't wishing him good health and fortune. C'mon man.

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

There are ways to address this, if you think it's a problem, and a T isn't one of them. Situationally speaking, a Tech at this point DOESN'T make the game better!

I have often heard that, "will the T make the game better" comment to justify not giving a T. It's meaningless. Whenever I have given a T to a coach, it has always made the game better for my crew. The coach changes his behavior (and in a HS game, he loses his coaching box which helps even more). Even more important, it makes the game better for the crew that follows mine. As I have said many times, a T isn't always the answer. But ignoring this behavior completely sends the wrong message.

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

2) Very few, if any people in the arena were focused on the coach during the FT's. You are focused on him only because one camera (whose sole focus is reaction shots of game participants) showed his comments. "That's Awful!" x 4 may get addressed in a lower level game, but not in a D1 game - let alone an NCAA Tournament game. Simply put, it's "water off a ducks back".

You were in the arena so you know what people were focused on? I've been to many games and the crowd always focuses on a standing coach after he has yelled at an official during transition. You are right.... it doesn't get addressed in a D-1 game. Exactly my point. And it filters down to coach-wannabees and lower-level refs who think that putting up with crap like the big dawgs is the way to success.

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

3) Comparing a basketball game to what happens in "public" is a poor attempt at explaining your viewpoint. The two environments have no relationship with each other in any way, shape, or form. When an actual fight occurs on the court, police are not called to investigate and recommend charges to the local prosecutor.

Actually, you just missed my point. My point is that it has become "the norm" in college basketball to allow verbal abuse of officials, especially late in a close game. We don't want to "decide the game" even though it's actually the inability of the coach to control their behavior that would "decide the game."

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

4)Overall, I understand your viewpoint. YOU would have addressed/handled, in some form or fashion, the comments/actions of the LaSalle coach. Others on this forum, myself included, would not have considered those comments (which only the Trail heard) or actions (which few, if any, saw) worthy of comment or significant action. In short, this situation would not have interfered with my ability to officiate the remainder of the game. Therefore, I would not have focused much attention on it.

Exactly. We have learned to continue to ref and ignore being berated. We don't think it's worthy of action unless the coach goes completely ballistic.