LaSalle/Ole Miss (Video Added)

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He was in his coaching box, so he is at the 28ft line in the backcourt while the Trail should be at the 28ft line in the front court, so that's 38ft. He's not waving his arms, jumping up and down, or coming on to the court. So he's doing nothing in that large venue that I would be paying attention to at that moment.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess it depends on how much emphasis your supervisor (or what's accepted in your area) puts on bench decorum. There is no way the center couldn't at least read his lips during the free throws. With any of the groups I have worked for, if a coach yells, "that's awful," four times during free throws, it needs to be noticed and addressed... especially after he just reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt.

[APG]

Originally Posted by zebraman

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess it depends on how much emphasis your supervisor (or what's accepted in your area) puts on bench decorum. There is no way the center couldn't at least read his lips during the free throws. With any of the groups I have worked for, if a coach yells, "that's awful," four times during free throws, it needs to be noticed and addressed... especially after he just reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt.

Why would the center be looking back at the coach back there?

Honestly, when this was asked to be posted, I was expecting something a lot worse. This? Wouldn't be paying attention to the coach here.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by APG

Why would the center be looking back at the coach back there?

Honestly, when this was asked to be posted, I was expecting something a lot worse. This? Wouldn't be paying attention to the coach here.

Because the official facing the bench has the most responsibility for monitoring the table and the benches. If you are the center on FT's, how could you NOT see a coach standing ripping your partner?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Because the official facing the bench has the most responsibility for monitoring the table and the benches. If you are the center on FT's, how could you NOT see a coach standing ripping your partner?

The C is probably doing some other things than worrying about what a coach on the other end is saying. And if the T hears him, that is his threshold that is making him decide if he wants to do something. You should know that we all do not get upset about the same things even if something you personally find over the top. I do not even see someone saying, "That's terrible" as even on my radar. There will be a lot of worse things I might have to address and that comment would be child's play.

Peace

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The C is probably doing some other things than worrying about what a coach on the other end is saying. And if the T hears him, that is his threshold that is making him decide if he wants to do something. You should know that we all do not get upset about the same things even if something you personally find over the top. I do not even see someone saying, "That's terrible" as even on my radar. There will be a lot of worse things I might have to address and that comment would be child's play.

Peace

What else would the C be doing on the dead balls between the free throws? I have my partner's back on that one and I would expect my partner to do the same. "That's awful" in plain view of everyone in the gym four times would be an automatic here. The things the officiating community has come to accept from coaches....

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

What else would the C be doing on the dead balls between the free throws? I have my partner's back on that one and I would expect my partner to do the same. "That's awful" in plain view of everyone in the gym four times would be an automatic here. The things the officiating community has come to accept from coaches....

You mean you'd call a T on a coach 40 feet away who doesn't appear to be yelling that demonstratively but kinda just talking to himself, in a 20,000 seat arena with all kinds of noise, based purely on lip reading? Really? In the absence of any other evidence, seems like fishing to me.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by scrounge

You mean you'd call a T on a coach 40 feet away who doesn't appear to be yelling but kinda just talking to himself, in a 20,000 seat arena with all kinds of noise, based purely on lip reading? Really? In the absence of any other evidence, seems like fishing to me.

From the NCAA rulebook.

Art. 2. Bench personnel committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but
not limited to, the following:
a. Disrespectfully addressing an official.
e. Objecting to an official’s decision by rising from the bench or using
gestures.
f. Inciting undesirable crowd reactions.

We really get what we deserve. We make excuses like, "I didn't see it," or "my partner can take care of himself (even though his back is to the play)" or "it doesn't bother me" or "that would be fishing."

He just ripped the trail all the way out of backcourt. He isn't talking to himself. And you don't have to give a T if you don't think your assignor would support you, but it does need to be addressed.

We get what we deserve.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by zebraman

What else would the C be doing on the dead balls between the free throws?

Yeah, I can see how watching a coach who is 40+ feet away and probably not talking loud enough to be heard would be more important than watching the players, who would never think of doing anything illegal while the ball is dead and an official is looking in the wrong direction!

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Yeah, I can see how watching a coach who is 40+ feet away and probably not talking loud enough to be heard would be more important than watching the players, who would never think of doing anything illegal while the ball is dead and an official is looking in the wrong direction!

Novel idea: Do both. Be able to watch the game and control the benches too. I know....... innovative and trendsetting.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess it depends on how much emphasis your supervisor (or what's accepted in your area) puts on bench decorum. There is no way the center couldn't at least read his lips during the free throws. With any of the groups I have worked for, if a coach yells, "that's awful," four times during free throws, it needs to be noticed and addressed... especially after he just reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt.

Fair enough. Who I work for if that was the reason I gave a T and nothing else, I would probably would not have a happy assignor.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zebraman

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess it depends on how much emphasis your supervisor (or what's accepted in your area) puts on bench decorum. There is no way the center couldn't at least read his lips during the free throws. With any of the groups I have worked for, if a coach yells, "that's awful," four times during free throws, it needs to be noticed and addressed... especially after he just reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt.

The Trail coming up the court and the C during the free-throws is the same official.

And the coach didn't "reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt", the coach's tirade lasted all of maybe 2 seconds and in fact he started backing up towards his bench by the time the Trail was crossing the division line.

[Pantherdreams]

1. Looks a like aflop but he's now falling into the next/play landing area so you are no calling a play that leads to a potential trainwreck. Don't have enough on the replays to say he was wrong though.

2. Coach is at far end commenting. We've got nothing. If Wyatt can curse/lose his mind after missing a shot and fouling at the end of the Temple/Indiana game without anyone batting an eye, a coach off the floor 30 feet from the action has got to be ok