I'll be Seeing These Guys Tomorrow

[Nevadaref]

Thanks for the extra info Rich.

[ballgame99]

I can't imagine having this much conversation with anyone other than the HC. If they want to have that many assistants and said assistants want to run their mouths, whack-em-all!! That is just crazy. How they got out of that sequence with just one T is amazing.

BTW, who is the dude in the pullover that comes in at the end? He must have been from the home school by the way they were heckling him. He didn't help matters by being hot headed when he got there.

[rockyroad]

Watching it again, it appears that after the initial disagreement and subsequent T on the assistant coach, the rest of the whole mess seems to be the coaching staff yelling at the table crew and the officials trying to get them to knock that off. So maybe that's why there were no more T's handed out?

[Tim C]

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Tim C

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

You must be observing some pretty boring games then.

No missed off-ball screens?

No missed fouls on shooters when L is screened off and T is too far away (or vice versa)?

Nothing missed in rebounding action with all those bodies in the paint?

No close games where getting those missed calls would have made a difference? Or the "guess" call be an out of position official that did make a difference? No games where a third set of eyes would have made a difference?

Find that all really hard to believe.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

You must be observing some pretty boring games then.

No missed off-ball screens?

No missed fouls on shooters when L is screened off and T is too far away (or vice versa)?

Nothing missed in rebounding action with all those bodies in the paint?

No close games where getting those missed calls would have made a difference? Or the "guess" call be an out of position official that did make a difference? No games where a third set of eyes would have made a difference?

Find that all really hard to believe.

I don't find it hard to believe, I find it impossible.

I do a few soph tournies over Christmas and it's two man, so I can speak first hand, I miss plenty.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Wow. No thanks.

+1

Originally Posted by fullor30

I don't find it hard to believe, I find it impossible.

I do a few soph tournies over Christmas and it's two man, so I can speak first hand, I miss plenty.

And +1000 from experience.

Peace

[Tim C]

I admit freely that over the last 30 years the game, even at the high school level, has evolved.

Bigger and faster players like in all levels of all sports.

For you guys to take a shot like I have worked bigger and faster kids don't comment on something you know nothing about.

I will assure you that I worked basketball at a higher level than many of you.

I am just of the opinion that trends always work there way down from NBA, to College to high school. We see a trend.

True I only watched about 30 high school games this years (including watching Cameron @ the Les Schawb Christmas tourney) and, as in all sports, calls average out over a quarter, a game and a season.

Just sayin"

T

[Tim C]

All 3 person crew does is cover for lazy officials.

Work the game and all will be find.

And you are right . .. I retired long before three person crews. I just know what I see.

let's work four person crews so we really cover anything . . . how about five person crews with a person just managing the bench area.

Soft.

[Tim C]

Actually I know quite a bit I AM FAR FROM IGNORANT.

Arrogant (not), cocky yes.

You guys just can't accept an opinion different from your own.

In Oregon I will fight forever to be cost conscience and not support three person crews.

That is my personal opinion and I will retain it.

The problem with these sites is that the officials are very non-receptive of any other opinions than their own.

Cost is an issue. Ignore it if you want but your are pricing yourself out of the market.

I am writing an article right now for High School Today titled "Can We Afford High School Athletics?"

Not sure we can . . .


T

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Tim C

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

Do you think they coulda used a third in these clips?

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Do you think they coulda used a third in these clips?

Well, in the first play, the same guy would have been trail and had the play right in front of him in his primary!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Brad

Well, in the first play, the same guy would have been trail and had the play right in front of him in his primary!

Film don't lie.

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by Brad

Well, in the first play, the same guy would have been trail and had the play right in front of him in his primary!

Probably would have been trail opposite table with the C having the play in front of him. That trail official would have had a good look at that one even from that position though.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tim C

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

Spoken like someone who has never worked 3 man. Or never figured it out.