I'll be Seeing These Guys Tomorrow

[rockyroad]

Watching it again, it appears that after the initial disagreement and subsequent T on the assistant coach, the rest of the whole mess seems to be the coaching staff yelling at the table crew and the officials trying to get them to knock that off. So maybe that's why there were no more T's handed out?

[#olderthanilook]

2 man crew for playoffs??? Weird.

I'm in agreement with others who have posted. TOO much yapping between officials and bench personnel.

Talk to the HC and only the HC. Tell him to get his bench under control. If he doesn't immediately turn to them and tell them to sit down and shut up, then it's a T to the bench indirect to HC.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

2 man crew for playoffs??? Weird.

I'm in agreement with others who have posted. TOO much yapping between officials and bench personnel.

Talk to the HC and only the HC. Tell him to get his bench under control. If he doesn't immediately turn to them and tell them to sit down and shut up, then it's a T to the bench indirect to HC.

Here in Wisconsin, they use two officials through the regional semifinal, and then three for sectionals and state.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Who are you seeing tomorrow? The Grafton team or the officials from this game?
Was this a playoff game?
Does your area have consolation games? The video shows that despite leading 36-35 at the end of 3 qtrs, Grafton scored a whopping 9 points in the fourth and surrendered 20 to lose 55-45.

This was a regular season game. I'll be seeing the Grafton team.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

Apparently this is also a conference that decided to revert to 2-man and most of the experienced officials decided to not work the conference.

Good on them for the technical, but after that there's no reason not to get out of there and go opposite the benches until it's time to shoot the free throws. If an assistant is going to get run, let it happen from a distance.

And this was a regular season game. Some teams have a lot of coaches on the bench. Not in our purview. Also, even if they are head coaches at other levels, there's a seat belt rule in WI for all but varsity head coaches. JV and FR coaches have to sit with the exceptions listed in the rules.

A PSA ad for 3 man in your state.......3 man crew would have grabbed foul. Lead was probably screened, foul on trails backside

I give those two guys A+ for their composure, the younger, shorter guy didn't blink.

Coaches acted like schoolyard bullies. In hindsight, as noted could have been handled better, but I applaud these two.

Hey Wisconsin, wake up and smell the cheese.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

2 man crew for playoffs??? Weird.

I'm in agreement with others who have posted. TOO much yapping between officials and bench personnel.

Talk to the HC and only the HC. Tell him to get his bench under control. If he doesn't immediately turn to them and tell them to sit down and shut up, then it's a T to the bench indirect to HC.

Did you not read the thread? My post above clearly mentioned that this was a regular season game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by fullor30

A PSA ad for 3 man in your state.......3 man crew would have grabbed foul. Lead was probably screened, foul on trails backside

I give those two guys A+ for their composure, the younger, shorter guy didn't blink.

Coaches acted like schoolyard bullies. In hindsight, as noted could have been handled better, but I applaud these two.

Hey Wisconsin, wake up and smell the cheese.

I've given up. Too many people simply don't care if we work 2 or 3. Many coaches see no benefit or openly say they prefer 2.

We are necessary evils.

Some crews have decided to take 3 to places )where it's been blessed) and split 2 checks. I *will not* do that. If the schools want me to bring 3, they'll pay for 3. Now, if *everyone* takes a small hit and we all get $5 or $10 less to work 3, I'm all for that. It's what I've advocated all along.

But working a varsity game for $40, less than the JV officials made? It's not going to happen. Not with me involved, that is.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've given up. Too many people simply don't care if we work 2 or 3. Many coaches see no benefit or openly say they prefer 2.

We are necessary evils.

2 refs and 7 coaches...... quite a contradiction

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've given up. Too many people simply don't care if we work 2 or 3. Many coaches see no benefit or openly say they prefer 2.

We are necessary evils.

Some crews have decided to take 3 to places )where it's been blessed) and split 2 checks. I *will not* do that. If the schools want me to bring 3, they'll pay for 3. Now, if *everyone* takes a small hit and we all get $5 or $10 less to work 3, I'm all for that. It's what I've advocated all along.

But working a varsity game for $40, less than the JV officials made? It's not going to happen. Not with me involved, that is.

That says something, they don't mind three but will only pay for two.

No wonder those coaches went off.........there's no respect before officials even enter gym

Love the fan in vid yelling that's a push

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've given up. Too many people simply don't care if we work 2 or 3. Many coaches see no benefit or openly say they prefer 2.

We are necessary evils.

Some crews have decided to take 3 to places )where it's been blessed) and split 2 checks. I *will not* do that. If the schools want me to bring 3, they'll pay for 3. Now, if *everyone* takes a small hit and we all get $5 or $10 less to work 3, I'm all for that. It's what I've advocated all along.

But working a varsity game for $40, less than the JV officials made? It's not going to happen. Not with me involved, that is.

Here locally, before we lost the AAA contract we took a hit across the board for Varsity refs to add a 3rd official to the GV games. Before that we had been getting $75/offficial for the 3-man BV crew and 2-man GV crew. Cut our fee down to $62.50/official but it was worth it get more 3-man experience to the association, even if every girl's game really did not need that 3rd official.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Here locally, before we lost the AAA contract we took a hit across the board for Varsity refs to add a 3rd official to the GV games. Before that we had been getting $75/offficial for the 3-man BV crew and 2-man GV crew. Cut our fee down to $62.50/official but it was worth it get more 3-man experience to the association, even if every girl's game really did not need that 3rd official.

Don't get me wrong -- I'd take a hit. But the schools need to put some skin in the game.

Most conferences here pay $60 -- $120 per game for 2 officials. If the schools kicked in $30 per game, I'd be happy to work for $50.

Sad thing is, I know that even if money wasn't an issue that some conferences would still resist going to three.

The state could've required this years ago and they *still* refuse to make that call. Hell, they still assign the first two rounds (boys and girls) 2-person. Why would these conferences NOT think it was OK -- if it's good enough for the post-season, it's good enough for the regular season.

(The state still only requires 4 football officials at the varsity level. As far as I know, no varsity game is scheduled with a 4-man crew and hasn't been for years.)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

Don't get me wrong -- I'd take a hit. But the schools need to put some skin in the game.

Most conferences here pay $60 -- $120 per game. If the schools kicked in $30 per game, I'd be happy to work for $50.

Sad thing is, I know that even if money wasn't an issue that some conferences would still resist going to three.

The state could've required this years ago and they *still* refuse to make that call. Hell, they still assign the first two rounds (boys and girls) 2-person. Why would these conferences NOT think it was OK -- if it's good enough for the post-season, it's good enough for the regular season.

Luckily on the Peninsula that is not the mindset. All 3 classes of public schools do 3-man for BV. AA & AAA do 3-man for GV. Still have some Single-A schools who do 2-man for GV but a lot those games really don't need a 3rd officials. The larger private schools will schedule 3-man for selected games.

Everything is 3-man for public schools once the play-offs hit.

[Tim C]

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Tim C

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

You must be observing some pretty boring games then.

No missed off-ball screens?

No missed fouls on shooters when L is screened off and T is too far away (or vice versa)?

Nothing missed in rebounding action with all those bodies in the paint?

No close games where getting those missed calls would have made a difference? Or the "guess" call be an out of position official that did make a difference? No games where a third set of eyes would have made a difference?

Find that all really hard to believe.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Here in Wisconsin, they use two officials through the regional semifinal, and then three for sectionals and state.

Wow. No thanks.