WRECK League Technical Question

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rekent

player goes up for a shot and thinks he gets hit. No foul was called and he proceeded to go back on defense, spinning his way down the court as he ran, holding his arm up in the air slapping it to show he felt he was fouled.

Well, I stopped reading the OP after this point so you know where I stand on the subject.

I haven't done a rec game in a while but I know when I did I had way less tolerance for nonsense like this than I did for antics in H.S. or NCAAW games. Heck, I rang a H.S. coach up for the arm-slapping stuff (sans pirouettes) 5 minutes into a game this season so I know a rec league guy would have gotten one for it. The main question is: do you want to deal with this nonsense all night? If you don't, you ring up the troublemakers early - for legit reasons, of course - and your night becaomes pretty quiet. If your supervisor won't support your Ts then you should probably find another league. Why deal with the headache?

I'm part of a group in NYC that officiates all kinds of rec ball from little kids to adults. During our meetings guys/girls would always complain about the behavior of coaches & players. Our assignor would say the same thing: "I don't know why you all put up with half the s*** they do to you. You have the tools, use 'em." It didn't click when I was in my younger years but when it finally did the games because less stressful and I started getting better games. Believe me, you don't T the whole building because that doesn't work, either. You just take care of things when people are obviously and openly disrespectful.

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

It didn't click when I was in my younger years but when it finally did the games because less stressful and I started getting better games. Believe me, you don't T the whole building because that doesn't work, either. You just take care of things when people are obviously and openly disrespectful.

It pains me terribly to say this based on your username (I'm a diehard Dolphins fan) but I find this to be profoundly true. In my younger days I always backed off from giving the T. Now I recognize it as a way to keep control and keep my own cool when the coach is trying to push buttons. Make the call, move on. Most of the time, he/she won't go for the second.

[26 Year Gap]

Remember that Indiana Jones scene where the guy starts with all of the fancy swordplay? Indy got out his gun and shot him nonchalantly. That would be a good metaphor. Only your T is the gun that stops the theatrics. Just don't be like that guy that was trail in those videos that were posted recently when you make the call.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Remember that Indiana Jones scene where the guy starts with all of the fancy swordplay? Indy got out his gun and shot him nonchalantly.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Remember that Indiana Jones scene where the guy starts with all of the fancy swordplay? Indy got out his gun and shot him nonchalantly.

Word is that that scene was improvised by Ford and the director liked it, so he kept it.

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Word is that that scene was improvised by Ford and the director liked it, so he kept it.

Correct. They all had food poisoning (except Speilberg, who traveled with his own private stock of Spaghettio's) and Ford was NOT up to filming the elaborate fight scene they planned. So he shot him. The crew actually wrapped up filming early on that location by like a week because they just wanted to get the heck out.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Word is that that scene was improvised by Ford and the director liked it, so he kept it.

Originally Posted by mplagrow

Correct. They all had food poisoning (except Speilberg, who traveled with his own private stock of Spaghettio's) and Ford was NOT up to filming the elaborate fight scene they planned. So he shot him. The crew actually wrapped up filming early on that location by like a week because they just wanted to get the heck out.

[maven]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

Correct. They all had food poisoning (except Speilberg, who traveled with his own private stock of Spaghettio's) and Ford was NOT up to filming the elaborate fight scene they planned. So he shot him. The crew actually wrapped up filming early on that location by like a week because they just wanted to get the heck out.

The story as I heard it: Ford did not feel like filming the fight scene (perhaps for the reason you mention) and noticed that his costume included a sidearm. He asked Spielberg, "Why the **** do I have to fight this **** when I could just shoot him?"

Spielberg did not have a ready answer and told him to try it. Everyone liked it, and it stood up in the final cut.

[JetMetFan]

Intramural game last night, player goes up for a shot and thinks he gets hit. No foul was called and he proceeded to go back on defense, spinning his way down the court as he ran, holding his arm up in the air slapping it to show he felt he was fouled. When his team got the ball back, he continued slapping his arm demonstratively and looking at the official who did not make the call the first time. Next dead ball I told him to cut out the theatrics.

I think the warning in the at this time is fair. He was informed these antics would not be acceptable. I would have made sure to let my partner(s) known I had warned him as well.

I have to disagree with the comment in red. As the assignor I mentioned in the previous post would say, if he doesn't get a T now anything this guy does after this point is our fault because we didn't stop him the first time he acted up. If he gets a T for this and for some reason doesn't understand what it was for, then he truly needed to get it.

Let's think of it this way: if an NBA player making thousands to millions of dollars would get a T for this without a thought, why the heck should we let some guy in a rec league game get away with it?

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by rekent

Yes, I know the aversion most of you have towards rec. games, but I have a question.

Intramural game last night, player goes up for a shot and thinks he gets hit. No foul was called and he proceeded to go back on defense, spinning his way down the court as he ran, holding his arm up in the air slapping it to show he felt he was fouled. When his team got the ball back, he continued slapping his arm demonstratively and looking at the official who did not make the call the first time. Next dead ball I told him to cut out the theatrics.

I think the warning in the at this time is fair. He was informed these antics would not be acceptable. I would have made sure to let my partner(s) known I had warned him as well.


Now he is on the bench, (he is also the team captain/coach) pass/crash called against his team and he shoots of the bench stomping his feet and barking, calling official who is table-side lets it go and the player walks up and down the sideline next to the official barking in his ear.

This should have been a technical at this time. He had been warned already. Captain or not, there is a correct way, and an incorrect way to approach and official if you question a call as captain. He choose the wrong way. He needed to be T'ed up at this point.

Third event, still on the bench, ball goes out of bounds off his team. He jumps up pointing in his team's direction and when official points the other way, the player slaps his hands together loudly, stomps, and does a little spin near the bench while he says "Oh my gosh, wow!" At this point, I whack him.

It never should have gotten this far in my opinion. He was warned once, then should have earned a T the second time he got mouthy. The third one, I likely would not have T'ed him for. He showed disagreement with the call yes, but he did not use profane language.

Here is the question: Do you feel it was justified? I am the most experienced on the crew of 3, and my partners (as well as the supervisor) were amazed that I got him. Personally I couldn't believe the official let the reaction and riding go on the pass/crash call.

I have worked a lot of Rec League games, and generally I call Tech's the same way I would in a HS game. The lone difference is with language. I generally won't give a T for language the in a Rec game unless it is so blatant or is directed at me, a partner, or an opponent. I will warn teams. I usually will warn a player first for language before giving a technical foul in a Rec game. I likely won't in a school game unless it is muttered where only a few people can hear.

BTW: I worked 7 years of college IM games and now work an adult Rec League. I have never been shy about calling a Tech or tossing a player out.