Weird Play -- FGCU/Lipscomb

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by DadofTwins

A41 inbounds to A5, who catches the ball above his head near halfcourt. B23 guarding closely, leaning toward the slightly-taller A5. A5 turns, with the ball still above his head, to face B23. B23 collapses in a heap. Official facing the play calls nothing. A5 takes three dribbles, B23 does not get up.

Baseline official whistles, and the two officials (the one who blew the whistle and the one who was nearest to the play) go to the monitor. B23 gets up, rubbing his throat.

The call is Flagrant 1 on A5 (elbow above the shoulders), B gets two shots and ball.

3 questions:

1) If the calling official has nothing from 2 feet away, can/should a partner overrule, especially from distance?

2) If no foul has been called (or if the contact is ruled "incidental" during the play), can the officials go to the monitor and assess something after the fact?

3) In general, if a player intentionally puts his head in harm's way, is the foul still the responsibility of the player with the moving elbow? If so, why? (I'm a soccer guy, so I'm used to holding the player who creates the dangerous situation responsible for the resulting action).

Thanks in advance.

1) Yes

2) Yes, if they decide it was FF1 or FF2. They can't make it a common foul if it wasn't called on the court.

3) ?

[DadofTwins]

To clarify on Q#3, in soccer if you hit someone in the knee with your face, the foul is on you. Even putting yourself in that position can result in the referee awarding an IFK, even if you put your head close to the person's knee without any contact resulting.

So when I saw a guy put his neck in the crook of another guy's elbow and draw a Flagrant 1, I was confused. It all just seemed a bit odd.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by DadofTwins

To clarify on Q#3, in soccer if you hit someone in the knee with your face, the foul is on you. Even putting yourself in that position can result in the referee awarding an IFK, even if you put your head close to the person's knee without any contact resulting.

So when I saw a guy put his neck in the crook of another guy's elbow and draw a Flagrant 1, I was confused. It all just seemed a bit odd.

Thanks for clarifying.

In some cases, it very well make be called as in soccer.

For example....B4 is racing in to cover A4 and arrives as A4 turns around (not excessivly) and gets caught with an elbow. I'm not inclined to call a foul on A4 at all.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by DadofTwins

To clarify on Q#3, in soccer if you hit someone in the knee with your face, the foul is on you. Even putting yourself in that position can result in the referee awarding an IFK, even if you put your head close to the person's knee without any contact resulting.

So when I saw a guy put his neck in the crook of another guy's elbow and draw a Flagrant 1, I was confused. It all just seemed a bit odd.

Thanks for clarifying.

In the first post, you said, "leaning toward." Here, it's "neck in the crook of." Those seem different to me.

If basketball, this issue mostly has to do with verticality. Based on the descriptions, the first would more likely be a foul on the offense than the latter. But, it's a HTBT issue, and might have been missed.

[JetMetFan]

I'm not posting the entire review since we know how it ended. Again, there was a no-call on the initial contact.

[Camron Rust]

Tough call. That is one that my be correct by the NCAA mandates but it is unjust. The defender was coming in and was just as responsible for that contact as anyone.

[OKREF]

I see the defender has already gotten to that spot when offense turns and catches him. Real tough call though.

[Raymond]

Sure would be nice if the video resembled what the FAN described in the OP.