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Old Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:01pm
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To clarify on Q#3, in soccer if you hit someone in the knee with your face, the foul is on you. Even putting yourself in that position can result in the referee awarding an IFK, even if you put your head close to the person's knee without any contact resulting.

So when I saw a guy put his neck in the crook of another guy's elbow and draw a Flagrant 1, I was confused. It all just seemed a bit odd.

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Old Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:55pm
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To clarify on Q#3, in soccer if you hit someone in the knee with your face, the foul is on you. Even putting yourself in that position can result in the referee awarding an IFK, even if you put your head close to the person's knee without any contact resulting.

So when I saw a guy put his neck in the crook of another guy's elbow and draw a Flagrant 1, I was confused. It all just seemed a bit odd.

Thanks for clarifying.
In some cases, it very well make be called as in soccer.

For example....B4 is racing in to cover A4 and arrives as A4 turns around (not excessivly) and gets caught with an elbow. I'm not inclined to call a foul on A4 at all.
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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:45am
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To clarify on Q#3, in soccer if you hit someone in the knee with your face, the foul is on you. Even putting yourself in that position can result in the referee awarding an IFK, even if you put your head close to the person's knee without any contact resulting.

So when I saw a guy put his neck in the crook of another guy's elbow and draw a Flagrant 1, I was confused. It all just seemed a bit odd.

Thanks for clarifying.
In the first post, you said, "leaning toward." Here, it's "neck in the crook of." Those seem different to me.

If basketball, this issue mostly has to do with verticality. Based on the descriptions, the first would more likely be a foul on the offense than the latter. But, it's a HTBT issue, and might have been missed.
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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:55pm
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Here's the play in the OP...

I'm not posting the entire review since we know how it ended. Again, there was a no-call on the initial contact.

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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 04:33pm
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Tough call. That is one that my be correct by the NCAA mandates but it is unjust. The defender was coming in and was just as responsible for that contact as anyone.
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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 04:54pm
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I see the defender has already gotten to that spot when offense turns and catches him. Real tough call though.
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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 05:03pm
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Sure would be nice if the video resembled what the FAN described in the OP.
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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:38pm
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I don't think it's that close, and I like the FF1 ruling. I'm curious as to what the C was looking at at the moment of contact (looks like he's looking up at the ball or something, instead of at the defender).
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Old Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:02pm
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Sure would be nice if the video resembled what the FAN described in the OP.
My thoughts exactly.
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