Player control signal?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

They essentially are now.

With the exception of the airborne shooter exception for the PC foul (which could just as easily be added to the TC rule) every player control foul, without the player control foul rule, would be a team control foul. The penalties are identical. The only thing the PC foul tells you is who the foul is on, specifically, but that is what numbers are for.

So, there is no longer any reason for them to be different.

Well then they need to change the signals, otherwise there is a difference in the rule and what we are calling.

Peace

[upanddown]

Mixed crew two have 5-6 years NF and one 10+ yrs HS, 3yrs. college. College R calls PC using TC signal from T, L lined out by T's back pointing new direction, T goes table and same lined out TC signal while L about to go wrong way while holding the ball looking to C for help. This is a perfect example of why using proper signals at HS level and below necessary. If and when you get the call up than TC be ok. College officials must use NF signals if doing HS. My opinion and pregame preference for up and coming or down and going.


May be new to quorum but not new to officiating.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by upanddown

Mixed crew two have 5-6 years NF and one 10+ yrs HS, 3yrs. college. College R calls PC using TC signal from T, L lined out by T's back pointing new direction, T goes table and same lined out TC signal while L about to go wrong way while holding the ball looking to C for help.

Could somebody please translate this into English?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Rich

Could somebody please translate this into English?

My thoughts exactly after saying, "what?" out loud.

[APG]

Originally Posted by upanddown

Mixed crew two have 5-6 years NF and one 10+ yrs HS, 3yrs. college. College R calls PC using TC signal from T, L lined out by T's back pointing new direction, T goes table and same lined out TC signal while L about to go wrong way while holding the ball looking to C for help. This is a perfect example of why using proper signals at HS level and below necessary. If and when you get the call up than TC be ok. College officials must use NF signals if doing HS. My opinion and pregame preference for up and coming or down and going.


May be new to quorum but not new to officiating.

All I got out of this is someone called a player control foul using the punch signal. Who in the hell is getting confused by the team control signal? How would the new trail get confused and about to have the teams go the wrong way? There's nothing that signaling the team control punch will change rather than using the hand behind the head.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You will not find many beach goers in the water without a wetsuit at any time of the year ... but I'm pretty certain I'm pretty certain Washington, Oregon, and California are considered coastal.

Thank God. Now I don't have to ever imagine Mark Padgett wearing a Speedo.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by APG

All I got out of this is someone called a player control foul using the punch signal. Who in the hell is getting confused by the team control signal? How would the new trail get confused and about to have the teams go the wrong way? There's nothing that signaling the team control punch will change rather than using the hand behind the head.

I think he's saying the old L was unable to see the signal because the calling official turned his back to the old L each time it was given.

[upanddown]

Yep, typing from a Galaxy III leaves me to abbreviate too much. The old Lead couldn't see the punch signal. But if the NFHS signal was properly used the old Lead would be able to see the proper signal. Poor communication by calling official to insure old Lead who had the throw in spot knew what was called. When at home I can type it all out. Refs get left out of calling any state playoffs if they do not use the NFHS mechanics; its a must do issue with the DOE Sports Director here. this includes two hands being used to identify player who committed the foul. Think I'll start a new lead for this.

[APG]

Originally Posted by upanddown

Yep, typing from a Galaxy III leaves me to abbreviate too much. The old Lead couldn't see the punch signal. But if the NFHS signal was properly used the old Lead would be able to see the proper signal. Poor communication by calling official to insure old Lead who had the throw in spot knew what was called. When at home I can type it all out. Refs get left out of calling any state playoffs if they do not use the NFHS mechanics; its a must do issue with the DOE Sports Director here. this includes two hands being used to identify player who committed the foul. Think I'll start a new lead for this.

Still makes no sense...I doubt if the official used a player control signal that they wouldn't have missed it.

[Adam]

This is why I also verbalize color and location of the throw in to my partner before I report.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by upanddown

Yep, typing from a Galaxy III leaves me to abbreviate too much...

Use either swiping or voice to text. Both work very well and much better the typing.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Use either swiping or voice to text. Both work very well and much better the typing.

I use SwiftKey 3 on my Galaxy S III. No difference in my posts from the phone and my posts on a computer.

And I don't buy it. That first post was illegible.

[HawkeyeCubP]

IMO, the call signal should have little to do, theoretically, with the non-callers (and players) knowing what's happening after the call. As Adam offered, it's all about post-call communication by the calling official. And that's a pet peeve if mine at the varsity level or above. Makes it seem like the caller is out of their depth and is too easily caught up in the moment to clearly communicate what's going on after they make a call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

IMO, the call signal should have little to do, theoretically, with the non-callers (and players) knowing what's happening after the call. As Adam offered, it's all about post-call communication by the calling official. And that's a pet peeve if mine at the varsity level or above. Makes it seem like the caller is out of their depth and is too easily caught up in the moment to clearly communicate what's going on after they make a call.

So you think it is out of line to give information to a partner to get the call ultimately right? Out of bounds plays? Basket going in plays? Dead ball situations?

Again I only care about getting calls correct and if someone can give me informaiton that helps us get the call right, I am all for it. Who cares what coaches and fans think happened in that conversation?

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So you think it is out of line to give information to a partner to get the call ultimately right? Out of bounds plays? Basket going in plays? Dead ball situations?

Again I only care about getting calls correct and if someone can give me informaiton that helps us get the call right, I am all for it. Who cares what coaches and fans think happened in that conversation?

Peace

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