Handled Correctly?

[cmckenna]

Originally Posted by shades

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?
You have to "make" me T you, I don't go out there
all gunslinger, you wont be around long. Some of the guys I work with all the time we have a sort of good cop bad cop set up to deal with the hard cores.
theres no perfect way to deal with unruly coaches, just remember.

if you "t" a coach every time you hear "that call was terrible" then thats your gig papi, I just hope I dont ever get paired with you.

Oh... and by the way... I have been at this 13 years and in that time have probably issued 6 technical fouls. Half were administrative, one was for an excess time-out and the rest were in wreck games

[shades]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

Oh... and by the way... I have been at this 13 years and in that time have probably issued 6 technical fouls. Half were administrative, one was for an excess time-out and the rest were in wreck games

And I am sure you are a fine ref.

But as you said, most of us go years and only issue a few techs, Ive gone entire seasons with maybe 1.

My point was just that, for new refs seriously asking "what would you have done" we should point out to them that the absolute next to the last thing, right before allowing yourself to be physically abused we want to do is T someone up. Especially a coach.

I find, pardon my personal opinion, that 99% of the "that was terrible" type of comments are heat of the moment and rarely offend anything other than your ego.

Its a tough sport in that regard, with fans hurling their opinions courtside, heat of the battle reactions from players as well as coaches are part of the competitive close quarter nature of basketball.

A thick skin goes a long way in gaining the respect that some seem to think only T'ing them up will. If you are doing your job, and doing it well, that coach, the players and the fans knows it.
And will realize, quite quickly I might add, that his being verbaly out of line only reflects on his sour grapes...
AND
when you have finally had enough, and it happens, it reflects better on you as an "official" if you werent so trigger happy at the onset.
I guess Im saying give him some rope, if he chooses to hang "himself" with it then so be it.

jmo boys

[Adam]

I really hope you don't train new refs with this stuff.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by shades

My point was just that, for new refs seriously asking "what would you have done" we should point out to them that the absolute next to the last thing, right before allowing yourself to be physically abused we want to do is T someone up. Especially a coach.

Wow.

Was this said by a guy who was formerly a coach? Or just likes to buddy up to them?

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by shades

A thick skin goes a long way in gaining the respect that some seem to think only T'ing them up will.

So does taking care of bidness...

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by shades

A thick skin goes a long way in gaining the respect that some seem to think only T'ing them up will.

I'm starting to understand that it's not just your actions, it's your entire mindset that is off.

Your point of view seems to originate from how others view you. And you assume that everyone else feels this way too. No one I know issues a technical foul because he wants to gain respect. The fact that you think others do is rather disturbing to be honest. Further, you advocate having a thick skin (in other words - ignoring when coach crosses the line ... unless he gets physical of course) in order to gain respect. Again - why? Your actions on the court should not be motivated positively or negatively by your desire to be respected by coaches. (And if we're being honest --- ignoring coach tirades or comments when you should be handling business is not gaining you any respect out there... it's gaining you a reputation as an official that can be walked on).

If you are doing your job, and doing it well, that coach, the players and the fans knows it.

I do not care whether the coaches, players, and fans think I'm doing a good job. You shouldn't either. And you certainly shouldn't be advocating that others worry about it. The opinions of my peers, supervisors, schedulers, etc is what matters.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by shades

My point was just that, for new refs seriously asking "what would you have done" we should point out to them that the absolute next to the last thing, right before allowing yourself to be physically abused we want to do is T someone up. Especially a coach.

I get to the whack a long time before being physically abused. Those of us that officiate high school sports -- we all have a role in promoting good sportsmanship. If I allow a coach to continue to act up, I'm as much of the problem as he is.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by shades

And I am sure you are a fine ref.

But as you said, most of us go years and only issue a few techs, Ive gone entire seasons with maybe 1.

My point was just that, for new refs seriously asking "what would you have done" we should point out to them that the absolute next to the last thing, right before allowing yourself to be physically abused we want to do is T someone up. Especially a coach.

I find, pardon my personal opinion, that 99% of the "that was terrible" type of comments are heat of the moment and rarely offend anything other than your ego.

Its a tough sport in that regard, with fans hurling their opinions courtside, heat of the battle reactions from players as well as coaches are part of the competitive close quarter nature of basketball.

A thick skin goes a long way in gaining the respect that some seem to think only T'ing them up will. If you are doing your job, and doing it well, that coach, the players and the fans knows it.
And will realize, quite quickly I might add, that his being verbaly out of line only reflects on his sour grapes...
AND
when you have finally had enough, and it happens, it reflects better on you as an "official" if you werent so trigger happy at the onset.
I guess Im saying give him some rope, if he chooses to hang "himself" with it then so be it.

jmo boys

Speak for yourself. I have four this year. Two HC (below), a player for grabbing the rim in warmups, and a player for complaining.

So the coach that threatened me with a bad rating a couple of weeks ago didn't deserve the technical he got? He wasn't anywhere close to physically contacting me, and wasn't even yelling for that matter.

What about the coach the my parter whacked for announcing the foul count during a FT? The same one that I whacked a short time later and ejected when he told us we're terrible. He wasn't going to physically abuse me. Should I have just laughed that one off too as "He's just ventin'!"

Remind me to stay far, far away from you.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by zm1283

So the coach that threatened me with a bad rating a couple of weeks ago didn't deserve the technical he got? He wasn't anywhere close to physically contacting me, and wasn't even yelling for that matter.

Nope. Just tell him do what you think you need to do and move on.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Nope. Just tell him do what you think you need to do and move on.

A coach threatening an official with bad rating is definitely a T'able offense.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A coach threatening an official with bad rating is definitely a T'able offense.

Absolutely!

I whacked a Coach earlier this season for yelling across the court T me that he was going to send the game film to my assignor.

And the assignor backed me 100%.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Nope. Just tell him do what you think you need to do and move on.

He threatens the rating, he gets whacked. If he's dumb enough to do it after getting whacked, he's probably making the walk of shame to the locker room.

Same goes with comments like "you'll never work here again" or "I'll get you thrown out of this conference."

[Moosie74]

Originally Posted by Rich

I get to the whack a long time before being physically abused. Those of us that officiate high school sports -- we all have a role in promoting good sportsmanship. If I allow a coach to continue to act up, I'm as much of the problem as he is.

It's really the idea that when the adults cease to act as a positive example they will be come an example by having action taken against them.

Others have hit on the idea that if you one set of officials let the coach walk on them, the next officials will have it that much harder.

We as officials are tasked with enforcing sportsmanship and there are ways to get there but we as a whole can't allow that line to get crossed repeatedly without pointing out what is and is not acceptable.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by shades

And I am sure you are a fine ref.

...and I am sure you are a fine official, my friend. May I make some observations, just by what I have "heard" from you.

a) you may be somewhat intiminated by coaches and/or put them on pedestal

b) you are under 29 years old

c) you are not afraid to express your opinions

d) you are a coach's wife/or want to be one

How many did I get right?

[RSturgell]

I appreciate the opinions. The coach had started in the 2nd half getting more vocal. If his player had the ball underneath he was yelling "foul". He was calling for traveling or some infraction when his team was defending as well.
I know he was speaking to me when he stated "if the officials blow their whistles" because the entire timeout other than that point he was talking to his players. I didn't "T" him up because I didn't feel the situation warranted it.
Ive only had (3) T's all year. (1) on head coach for ABS, (1) for scorebook, (1) in youth league on player that had bad attitude and fired the ball at me after a call. This is in 60+ games. I know I'm not thin skinned but I also don't want to come across as a harda$$.