FT violation?

[Sharpshooternes]

FT shooter at the FT line, I bounce pass the ball to her. She takes a couple of dribbles and then dribbles off her own foot. The ball rolls away to my P at T. I look at him and mouth "violation?" He shakes his head and bounces the ball back to shooter who shoots FT. No one complains or says anything. I am guessing this is a FT violation.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

FT shooter at the FT line, I bounce pass the ball to her. She takes a couple of dribbles and then dribbles off her own foot. The ball rolls away to my P at T. I look at him and mouth "violation?" He shakes his head and bounces the ball back to shooter who shoots FT. No one complains or says anything. I am guessing this is a FT violation.

9.1.1
Your after-the-fact guess has basis in the rules.
No one "complained or said anything" because they didn't know either.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

9.1.1

9.1.1 SITUATION: A1, at the free-throw line to attempt a free throw: (a) muffs
the pass from the official and it rolls forward; or (b) while performing his/her
habitual dribbles prior to the release, accidentally allows the ball to deflect off
his/her foot into the lane. RULING: In (a), the official should sound the whistle to
prevent any violations and then start the free throw procedure again. No freethrow
violation should be called in this situation. In (b), a free-throw violation
shall be called on A1. (9-1-3a, e)

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9.1.1 SITUATION: A1, at the free-throw line to attempt a free throw: (a) muffs
the pass from the official and it rolls forward; or (b) while performing his/her
habitual dribbles prior to the release, accidentally allows the ball to deflect off
his/her foot into the lane. RULING: In (a), the official should sound the whistle to
prevent any violations and then start the free throw procedure again. No freethrow
violation should be called in this situation. In (b), a free-throw violation
shall be called on A1. (9-1-3a, e)

This was definitely a b) situation.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

FT shooter at the FT line, I bounce pass the ball to her. She takes a couple of dribbles and then dribbles off her own foot. The ball rolls away to my P at T. I look at him and mouth "violation?" He shakes his head and bounces the ball back to shooter who shoots FT. No one complains or says anything. I am guessing this is a FT violation.

It doesn't excuse your partner today, but not that many years ago he would have been correct. Back then, you were to kill the play (before anyone violated lines), and toss it back to the free thrower.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9.1.1 SITUATION: A1, at the free-throw line to attempt a free throw: (a) muffs
the pass from the official and it rolls forward; or (b) while performing his/her
habitual dribbles prior to the release, accidentally allows the ball to deflect off
his/her foot into the lane. RULING: In (a), the official should sound the whistle to
prevent any violations and then start the free throw procedure again. No freethrow
violation should be called in this situation. In (b), a free-throw violation
shall be called on A1. (9-1-3a, e)

Silly Question Here: For (b) what is the difference in deflecting the ball off the foot as opposed to 'while performing habitual dribbles' breaks the free throw line plane.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Silly Question Here: For (b) what is the difference in deflecting the ball off the foot as opposed to 'while performing habitual dribbles' breaks the free throw line plane.

The implication is that the ball gets away and either someone else would have to get the ball or the shooter would have to leave the semi-circle to get the ball.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Silly Question Here: For (b) what is the difference in deflecting the ball off the foot as opposed to 'while performing habitual dribbles' breaks the free throw line plane.

Zip...zero...nada... Both are free throw violations (assuming you mean, in your second part, that the FT-er's foot illegally breaks the plane of the free throw line).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Silly Question Here: For (b) what is the difference in deflecting the ball off the foot as opposed to 'while performing habitual dribbles' breaks the free throw line plane.

Because it isn't a violation unless the foot breaks the plane. That doesn't happen by dribbling. In the case, it pretty much has to, although the case eliminates any potential to back out of the violation with a timeout.

[VaTerp]

If the ball rolled out to the T did the FT shooter's foot ever break the plane?

I remember having a similar play many many years ago during AAU ball. Shooter didnt move, ball bounced away and I did a reset.

The T just bounced the ball to the shooter without a reset and giving it to you as the lead?

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

FT shooter at the FT line, I bounce pass the ball to her. She takes a couple of dribbles and then dribbles off her own foot. The ball rolls away to my P at T. I look at him and mouth "violation?" He shakes his head and bounces the ball back to shooter who shoots FT. No one complains or says anything. I am guessing this is a FT violation.

Why didn't you call it instead of asking?

It is frustrating working with officials that don't know the rules.

This crew 0 for 2

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Why didn't you call it instead of asking?

Because it's the trial's primary coverage area on a free throw?

If I were the lead, I would wait a few seconds, enough time for the trail to sound his whistle, if he didn't, then I would sound mine. I know that it's not my primary, but I'm not letting an obvious violation like this pass.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

FT shooter at the FT line, I bounce pass the ball to her. She takes a couple of dribbles and then dribbles off her own foot. The ball rolls away to my P at T. I look at him and mouth "violation?" He shakes his head and bounces the ball back to shooter who shoots FT. No one complains or says anything. I am guessing this is a FT violation.

How old was the shooter?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Why didn't you call it instead of asking?

It is frustrating working with officials that don't know the rules.

This crew 0 for 2

Ouch, a little harsh don't you think? I am only a third year official. I thought it was a violation and asked my more seasoned varsity partner quickly who said no. I couldn't quote the rule thus would be unable to properly explain to a coach why I called it. To me, "It just is..." is a piss poor excuse to give to coaches. It is a measly little case play and nothing in the rules says anything about this being a violation. Now I know. And I know what you mean about working with officials that don't know the rules, although it is more frustrating when they call traveling on a loose ball slide or 3 seconds while ball is in the backcourt. Those are everyday plays that we should be getting right. I have never seen anyone lose control of the ball on a FT, ever... This is a rare play.
Thanks for the condescention.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

How old was the shooter?

Freshman girl