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I would argue there's no way for the L to know this unless C has the chance to make a call on the play but doesn't. As the video shows, C was coming out with a call but L reached out of his area to take the play. To me, this is the same situation as the Montverde/Simeon play posted in the other string. Let the guy who is supposed to call the play call it. Unless the NCAAM CCA manual differs from the NCAAW CCA manual on this, the C has the primary call on this because the play took place on his side of the floor.
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The path is the direction the player is heading...which may or may not be directly to the basket. At that point, what direction was the player moving in? He was going to the right of the defender then cut back to go around the left side. The stills don't show the timing of that.
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This is a block. The defender overruns the angle then backtracks to try and take the charge and DOES NOT beat the offense to the spot. The offensive player makes a move to avoid the contact. Agree with Camron 100% that the defender doesn't get into the path in time.
If you don't see this when reviewing the top angle (0:23 seconds) we will have to agree to disagree on the outcome. |
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If there is skin off your nose, I can give you some of mine as I happen to agree with you...and will add that I think your comment about expecting too much from the defender is spot on, and is one of the big problems I see with officiating in my area (it's probably not a problem in that one certain area of Illinois, though).
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Some folks I have worked with seem to call a block on virtually all contact, and they seem to justify doing so on the ground that they get less flak for it. That's not good officiating, IMO, and makes defense too hard. Some people are worried about the "pendulum" swinging the other way, with too many PC calls, making offense too hard. I don't see that happening in my area.
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With the contact squarely in the chest (I understand that's not the rule), it is hard for me to see it that way.
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And, while I've been arguing the point of view supporting a block, I'd probably have a charge in the game....close enough to legal for me that I'd not be able to tell otherwise in real time.
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Precisely.
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Basketball at its fundamental roots is all about the offense beating the defense to more advantageous position to score. It is the spirit for which every rule was written.
Look, it is a close play. The real learning on this is the court positioning and communication between the C & L. This thread can be closed as far as I'm concerned. |
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