ESPN High school game Block Charge

[Brad]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

That looked like a pretty easy player control foul to me! wonder if coach was going bonkers?

Don't they always?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

You're correct. His right foot is in the lane.

But 95% of his body is outside the lane, the play is coming from the C and the L misses the call.

He has no business blowing this play.

Originally Posted by Toren

I'm very comfortable with the L making the call here. If you look at this entire play, he has one defender that will make this play difficult and it's the kid who attempts to take the charge.

The C doesn't have a better look than the L and I would say has a slightly worse look.

And yet, he still misss the call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Okay, you win. His right foot is in the lane.

But 95% of his body is outside the lane, the play is coming from the C and the L misses the call.

He has no business blowing this play.



Then why did he miss the call?

I do not think his positioning has anything to do with missing this call. I think he did what a lot of people do, penalize the defense even when they do nothing wrong.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think his positioning has anything to do with missing this call. I think he did what a lot of people do, penalize the defense even when they do nothing wrong.

While that maybe true, 9x out of 10 when I see the L reach across the lane like this, he misses the call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

While that maybe true, 9x out of 10 when I see the L reach across the lane like this, he misses the call.

That is why I say this is transition, there are times you have to help each other out. I have seen a lot of missed block/charge situation that had nothing to do with calling across the lane. I just think he did not referee the defense and it is that simple in my mind.

Peace

[johnny d]

bkt, you would rather go with a no call then have the lead come across the lane?

[Brad]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

While that maybe true, 9x out of 10 when I see the L reach across the lane like this, he misses the call.

I remember talking to an NBA official about this — they did a study that confirmed your numbers ... 80-90% of the time the lead was wrong when the reached like this.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by johnny d

bkt, you would rather go with a no call then have the lead come across the lane?

Yes.

C needs to get it or no one ... and he can take the heat if he doesn't have a call.

No call >>>>> the wrong call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

Yes.

C needs to get it or no one ... and he can take the heat if he doesn't have a call.

No call >>>>> the wrong call.

Not my position. Someone needs to get this, just get it right.

Peace

[johnny d]

i dont agree either. i cant see anyway for there to be a no call on this play. yes, the l got it wrong, but i dont think it is because he was straight lined or because he didnt have a good look at the play, i just think he got it wrong. happens to the best of them or adams wouldnt have so many plays to put on his block/charge videos every other week or so.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not my position. Someone needs to get this, just get it right.

Peace

So...

Right call >>> No call >>> Wrong call

I mean, that IS the preference, isn't it? I mean, of course if the L gets it right there is no issue!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

So...

Right call >>> No call >>> Wrong call

I mean, that IS the preference, isn't it? I mean, of course if the L gets it right there is no issue!

Again you call it the way you want, but not what I have ever been told by anyone and not that way in transition. This is not the typical play where we have primary coverage and the C is often further away from the lane or their normal position. And I have always been told that if bodies are on the floor we better know how they got there. This contact has to be called no matter where the contact came from.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

9x out of 10 when I see the L reach across the lane like this, he misses the call.

Amen.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is not the typical play where we have primary coverage.

Actually, based on what I posted earlier from the NFHS Officials' Manual, it is. This wasn't a quick turn off of a steal. It was a run-of-the-mill transition play and based on where contact took place it was the C's call to make since it was on his side of the floor.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is why I say this is transition, there are times you have to help each other out.

Yes, there are times you have to help your partner out in transition or not but you at least have to give your partner a chance to make the call. The L didn't give his partner a chance in this case.

Originally Posted by Toren

However, it could have been that the defender leaned his upper torso into the pathway of the offensive player and we can't see that from this angle.

I would argue that we can see something like this better from the camera angle than the L can from behind the defender. That's why the C is supposed to take plays like this that originate on their side of the floor. They can see a lean-in, if there is one. The only other person who would be able to see it properly would be the T.

[johnny d]

i still disagree. as the lead, i am giving the c a chance to make this call, if he doesnt i am making my call. sure there is a chance i will get i wrong, just like there is a chance i will get some of the other calls i make that night wrong as well. does it suck when we get the call wrong as is clearly the case here, it sure does, but if the coach or assignor or evaluator asks me about the play i can tell him, as i am sure the l in this play thought, i had the defender sliding in after the player went airborne. how are you going to justify not having a call on a violent collision like this at the basket if asked.......it wasnt my primary coverage area so i passed. i think that is a much weaker position than stating why you called the play a particular play and then admitting/accepting you got it wrong if it turns out that way.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

i still disagree. as the lead, i am giving the c a chance to make this call, if he doesnt i am making my call. sure there is a chance i will get i wrong, just like there is a chance i will get some of the other calls i make that night wrong as well. does it suck when we get the call wrong as is clearly the case here, it sure does, but if the coach or assignor or evaluator asks me about the play i can tell him, as i am sure the l in this play thought, i had the defender sliding in after the player went airborne. how are you going to justify not having a call on a violent collision like this at the basket if asked.......it wasnt my primary coverage area so i passed. i think that is a much weaker position than stating why you called the play a particular play and then admitting/accepting you got it wrong if it turns out that way.

Even in situations where we have been asked to not call across the lane, they do not want a no call for sure. The complaint is that the lead does not rotate, not that they simply miss the call. And "It wasn't my primary" is usually not going to go over well with the people I work for either. And again, this is transition, the Lead just got to the end line.

Peace