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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 11:20am
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Why would you expect anyone to defend their actions? They made a mistake and almost every post in response to your silly letter acknowledges that. What exactly are you looking for?
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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 11:22am
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Just curious if you're a disgruntled D1-radar official that may have missed his chance?
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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 11:23am
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Yep...you got me!

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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 11:26am
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Yep...you got me!

Another post focusing on me.

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Why would you expect anyone to defend their actions? They made a mistake and almost every post in response to your silly letter acknowledges that. What exactly are you looking for?

If JR was here, he'd say

"Lah me"
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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 11:30am
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Smile Let's turn this discussion into a learning opportunity, yay?

Let's say I had my way and all HC's and AC's had to pass a thorough rules test in order to coach at the college level. Does this situation fall in the correctable error category? And if so, until what time could the officials correct it, if requested by the B HC? (And for those who don't know one of the two rule sets, the applicable rules read identical for this scenario.)
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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 12:07pm
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The learning point here, other than the obvious mis direction on OT jump ball is that when the ball became dead one official immediately recognized what had happened an the ball should have been given back to the team in control as the goaltending is an inadvertent whistle. Or am I missing something?
Since "everyone" was going the opposite way, the play stands. Award UConn 2 points for the GT, take the ball to the opposite end and let the other team inbound the ball running the baseline.

If play had been stopped before the "try" then take the ball to the same spot at the opposite end and let UConn inbound it.

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Let's say I had my way and all HC's and AC's had to pass a thorough rules test in order to coach at the college level. Does this situation fall in the correctable error category? And if so, until what time could the officials correct it, if requested by the B HC? (And for those who don't know one of the two rule sets, the applicable rules read identical for this scenario.)
It's not a CE. It's a rules error.
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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 12:09pm
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It's not a CE. It's a rules error.
Similar to JRut's recent postulations in a different thread, I propose that one creates another. Am I the only one that sees a CE situation in there somewhere?
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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 11:38am
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The learning point here, other than the obvious mis direction on OT jump ball is that when the ball became dead one official immediately recognized what had happened an the ball should have been given back to the team in control as the goaltending is an inadvertent whistle. Or am I missing something?
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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 11:42am
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The learning point here, other than the obvious mis direction on OT jump ball is that when the ball became dead one official immediately recognized what had happened an the ball should have been given back to the team in control as the goaltending is an inadvertent whistle. Or am I missing something?
If you watch the video, I contend Stephens and Stuart knew something was wrong. Stephens initially takes a step backwards and Stuart is on the floor looking like he's going to kill the play, in my opinion.

Either way, what should of happened is count the bucket and go in the right direction. 5-1-3
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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 11:39am
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If JR was here, he'd say "Lah me"
Even thought I got my share of "Lah me"'s from Jurassic Referee, I really learned a lot from him, and I really miss him.

On the other hand, is Old School trying to make a comeback with a new username?
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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 11:42am
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Even thought I got my share of "Lah me"'s from Jurassic Referee, I really learned a lot from him, and I really miss him.

On the other hand, is Old School trying to make a comeback with a new username?
I've checked the IP address and it is not an IP address that has been used before on the board. I know that can be spoofed and perhaps he's posted while having a different IP address, but I have limited information.

We could play a game to guess where he's posting from -- I do have that information.

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What you don't seem to understand is we did read your letter, and the substantive points were addressed.
1. It was a mistake. (we agree.).
2. It was a travesty. (we disagree)
3. They should be disciplined. (they probably will)
4. Newer officials would be fired (doubtful).

Whether they're disciplined by the Big East will have little bearing on whether they're on tv this weekend. Probably even zero bearing.

You do realize that a condescending form letter does NOT mean Adams even read your dissertation, right?
And I read through the entire thing, as well. I think he's preaching to the choir a bit here. We watch such a thing, wince, and think -- I will make doubly sure that doesn't happen in our games this season.

Officials screw up the rules under pressure. It happens. I watched a bowl game where the crew allowed a quarterback to gain yards after his helmet came off. Same crew had trouble remembering where to put the ball on a kickoff out of bounds (they eventually got it right).

Doesn't mean they are bad officials -- it means they made mistakes.

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If you watch the video, I contend Stephens and Stuart knew something was wrong. Stephens initially takes a step backwards and Stuart is on the floor looking like he's going to kill the play, in my opinion.

Either way, what should of happened is count the bucket and go in the right direction. 5-1-3
The trail/tosser knew something was up. Seemed obvious to me -- he just didn't quite know how to handle it or was processing it when the play was finally killed.
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Old Wed Jan 02, 2013, 11:58am
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DevonMoore,

Yes this crew screwed up. I would hope that no one feels worse about it than they do as I doubt there was any intent to favor one team over the other. Maybe 1, 2, or all 3 of these officials were beginning to exude a sense of arrogance on the court that goes beyond what it should have. Guess what, if that is true, they've been kicked in the pants... This is an embarrassing situation that I know I would give anything to not be associated with, and I believe that is true for these guys as well.

We're all human, mistakes big and small, will unfortunately occur. And like many other parts of society, name does outweigh ability at times. That's just the reality of it. They will be penalized, although probably not enough for your liking. I guarantee that none of these 3 officials will ever let a situation like this ever happen again in their games as long as they officiate....
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What you don't seem to understand is we did read your letter, and the substantive points were addressed.
1. It was a mistake. (we agree.).
2. It was a travesty. (we disagree)
3. They should be disciplined. (they probably will)
4. Newer officials would be fired (doubtful).

Whether they're disciplined by the Big East will have little bearing on whether they're on tv this weekend. Probably even zero bearing.

You do realize that a condescending form letter does NOT mean Adams even read your dissertation, right?
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I can't believe he puts his cell phone number on an email response like this one.
Actually, in my opinion, I would appreciate it if the Mods removed that part of his e-mail or "X" it out -- Adam, Rich...
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