Seth Davis and John Adams SI Article

[SamIAm]

Link to the SI article - Referee czar John Adams clears up confusion; plus Hoop Thoughts - Seth Davis - SI.com

[Jurassic Referee]

Great point by Adams imo in stating that pulling a jersey should always be an intentional foul. That's one call that doesn't seem to be universally made, at both the high school and college levels.

[Raymond]

chseagle, have you ever made this mistake? I think the timer should be tasered on the spot.

Originally Posted by article

...Here's a wacky situation quiz for ya: A player takes a foul shot with his team leading by two points. He misses the shot, the ball lands on the floor, and nobody from either team touches it. You probably know that the clock is not supposed to start until a player touches the ball, but what if the scoreboard operator mistakenly starts the clock, and the ref notices the error and blows his whistle -- and still nobody has touched the ball? Yes, they can use the replay monitor to determine that a few seconds should be put back on the clock to correct the timing error, but how do you know which team gets the ball?

The answer: You use the possession arrow. I raise this question because Adams told me that that was the exact situation at the end of Evansville's recent win over Butler. Following the missed free throw, the Evansville players had all run back on defense, but the Butler players were waiting to touch the ball to conserve time. The scoreboard operator mistakenly ran the clock. Fortunately for everyone involved, the possession arrow pointed to Butler, but it would have been a p.r. disaster if Butler would have lost a chance to tie the game on that kind of fluke.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Link to the SI article - Referee czar John Adams clears up confusion; plus Hoop Thoughts - Seth Davis - SI.com

While I applaud the attempt at explaining the "new" elbow rule, I still think the article left out one option in the choices involving contact - contact involving a "basketball play" still could be ruled incidental, and no foul be called.

The only part that's been changed in all of this is the fact that if a foul needs to be called on contact involving an elbow above the neck, a personal foul is no longer an option.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Pulling a jersey should always be an intentional foul.

Had this in a boys high school varsity scrimmage Saturday. A1 has a throwin under his own basket. I'm the administering official and hand the ball to A1. Team A players begin to set screens to get open. B1 grabs A2 by the jersey and holds on tight. Ball has not yet been thrown in. I sound my whistle and call an intentional foul on B1. Team B coach has a cow. "That's not an intentional foul. My player was just holding his opponent. Holding a player's jersey is just holding and is just a regular foul."

Hopefully the coach will read the article.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Had this in a boys high school varsity scrimmage Saturday. A1 has a throwin under his own basket. I'm the administering official and hand the ball to A1. Team A players begin to set screens to get open. B1 grabs A2 by the jersey and holds on tight. Ball has not yet been thrown in. I sound my whistle and call an intentional foul on B1. Team B coach has a cow. "That's not an intentional foul. My player was just holding his opponent. Holding a player's jersey is just holding and is just a regular foul."

Hopefully the coach will read the article.

Wow. Wonder if the opponent had grabbed his players arm and held on for dear life, would he have been satisfied with a "regular foul?"

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

The only part that's been changed in all of this is the fact that if a foul needs to be called on contact involving an elbow above the neck, a personal common foul is no longer an option.

Fixed it for ya.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Fixed it for ya.

Yep, you're right. Thanks.

Nothing worse than making a mistake while trying to point out a mistake.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Nothing worse than making a mistake while trying to point out a mistake.

Don't I no it!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Don't I no it!

Ba dump bump!

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Don't I no it!

Know, you don't.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Ba dump bump!

When I read this the first time, I thought it said, "Be a dump bump". I couldn't figure out what a dump bump was. . .

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

When I read this the first time, I thought it said, "Be a dump bump". I couldn't figure out what a dump bump was. . .

Sorry, I had no way of writing in the syncopation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Know, you don't.

A Yoda quote, is that?

[silverpie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A Yoda quote, is that?

Attempted, but failed--use contractions, Yoda does not.