UConn vs Marquette Fiasco (Letter to John Adams and Coordinators)

[DevonMoore]

LOL...I did email adams and hyland and clougherty and shaw (FYI): jwasports1, user2117, etc.

I am not a fanboy, and it matters not the reaction you all send my way. Each of you are anonymous as well, so what difference does it matter...just as you pay no attention to my post.

But yes, I opted to post today because I am sick and tired of BIG TIME officials f%%4ing stuff up and continue to get games with no penalty at all...living off reputation versus ability. Their arrogance is demonstrated on the floor by their mannerisms.

Again, you all focus on me...but I did not misapply the rule, because I KNOW the rule.

So continue to throw darts at me for voicing my opinion...but I have yet to hear ONE person defend their actions and provide a reasonable excuse. Guess what, there is NOT an excuse! Yeah...they will be on TV again this weekend and work the NCAA tourney, but do not know the freakin rules!

I guess it is WHO you know and not WHAT you know...

[Smitty]

Why would you expect anyone to defend their actions? They made a mistake and almost every post in response to your silly letter acknowledges that. What exactly are you looking for?

[JugglingReferee]

Just curious if you're a disgruntled D1-radar official that may have missed his chance?

[DevonMoore]

Yep...you got me!

Another post focusing on me.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by DevonMoore

Yep...you got me!

Another post focusing on me.

Originally Posted by Smitty

Why would you expect anyone to defend their actions? They made a mistake and almost every post in response to your silly letter acknowledges that. What exactly are you looking for?

If JR was here, he'd say

"Lah me"

[HawkeyeCubP]

Let's say I had my way and all HC's and AC's had to pass a thorough rules test in order to coach at the college level. Does this situation fall in the correctable error category? And if so, until what time could the officials correct it, if requested by the B HC? (And for those who don't know one of the two rule sets, the applicable rules read identical for this scenario.)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SoInZebra

The learning point here, other than the obvious mis direction on OT jump ball is that when the ball became dead one official immediately recognized what had happened an the ball should have been given back to the team in control as the goaltending is an inadvertent whistle. Or am I missing something?

Since "everyone" was going the opposite way, the play stands. Award UConn 2 points for the GT, take the ball to the opposite end and let the other team inbound the ball running the baseline.

If play had been stopped before the "try" then take the ball to the same spot at the opposite end and let UConn inbound it.

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Let's say I had my way and all HC's and AC's had to pass a thorough rules test in order to coach at the college level. Does this situation fall in the correctable error category? And if so, until what time could the officials correct it, if requested by the B HC? (And for those who don't know one of the two rule sets, the applicable rules read identical for this scenario.)

It's not a CE. It's a rules error.

[SoInZebra]

The learning point here, other than the obvious mis direction on OT jump ball is that when the ball became dead one official immediately recognized what had happened an the ball should have been given back to the team in control as the goaltending is an inadvertent whistle. Or am I missing something?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by SoInZebra

The learning point here, other than the obvious mis direction on OT jump ball is that when the ball became dead one official immediately recognized what had happened an the ball should have been given back to the team in control as the goaltending is an inadvertent whistle. Or am I missing something?

If you watch the video, I contend Stephens and Stuart knew something was wrong. Stephens initially takes a step backwards and Stuart is on the floor looking like he's going to kill the play, in my opinion.

Either way, what should of happened is count the bucket and go in the right direction. 5-1-3

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

If JR was here, he'd say "Lah me"

Even thought I got my share of "Lah me"'s from Jurassic Referee, I really learned a lot from him, and I really miss him.

On the other hand, is Old School trying to make a comeback with a new username?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even thought I got my share of "Lah me"'s from Jurassic Referee, I really learned a lot from him, and I really miss him.

On the other hand, is Old School trying to make a comeback with a new username?

I've checked the IP address and it is not an IP address that has been used before on the board. I know that can be spoofed and perhaps he's posted while having a different IP address, but I have limited information.

We could play a game to guess where he's posting from -- I do have that information.

Originally Posted by Adam

What you don't seem to understand is we did read your letter, and the substantive points were addressed.
1. It was a mistake. (we agree.).
2. It was a travesty. (we disagree)
3. They should be disciplined. (they probably will)
4. Newer officials would be fired (doubtful).

Whether they're disciplined by the Big East will have little bearing on whether they're on tv this weekend. Probably even zero bearing.

You do realize that a condescending form letter does NOT mean Adams even read your dissertation, right?

And I read through the entire thing, as well. I think he's preaching to the choir a bit here. We watch such a thing, wince, and think -- I will make doubly sure that doesn't happen in our games this season.

Officials screw up the rules under pressure. It happens. I watched a bowl game where the crew allowed a quarterback to gain yards after his helmet came off. Same crew had trouble remembering where to put the ball on a kickoff out of bounds (they eventually got it right).

Doesn't mean they are bad officials -- it means they made mistakes.

Originally Posted by tjones1

If you watch the video, I contend Stephens and Stuart knew something was wrong. Stephens initially takes a step backwards and Stuart is on the floor looking like he's going to kill the play, in my opinion.

Either way, what should of happened is count the bucket and go in the right direction. 5-1-3

The trail/tosser knew something was up. Seemed obvious to me -- he just didn't quite know how to handle it or was processing it when the play was finally killed.

[Adam]

What you don't seem to understand is we did read your letter, and the substantive points were addressed.
1. It was a mistake. (we agree.).
2. It was a travesty. (we disagree)
3. They should be disciplined. (they probably will)
4. Newer officials would be fired (doubtful).

Whether they're disciplined by the Big East will have little bearing on whether they're on tv this weekend. Probably even zero bearing.

You do realize that a condescending form letter does NOT mean Adams even read your dissertation, right?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can't believe he puts his cell phone number on an email response like this one.

Actually, in my opinion, I would appreciate it if the Mods removed that part of his e-mail or "X" it out -- Adam, Rich...

[Tio]

There is no defense for what they did. However, if you are an official, your self-interests are apparent by your cheerleading effort to "throw the book" at officials Stuart, Stephens and Hess. Officiating is a business that is not fair. Some guys get a ton of assignments and have the rope to make mistakes where for a guy just breaking in, it could be a career ender. It is not fair and never will be as long as there is one person holding all (or most of) the power in each conference.

Originally Posted by DevonMoore

LOL...I did email adams and hyland and clougherty and shaw (FYI): jwasports1, user2117, etc.

I am not a fanboy, and it matters not the reaction you all send my way. Each of you are anonymous as well, so what difference does it matter...just as you pay no attention to my post.

But yes, I opted to post today because I am sick and tired of BIG TIME officials f%%4ing stuff up and continue to get games with no penalty at all...living off reputation versus ability. Their arrogance is demonstrated on the floor by their mannerisms.

Again, you all focus on me...but I did not misapply the rule, because I KNOW the rule.

So continue to throw darts at me for voicing my opinion...but I have yet to hear ONE person defend their actions and provide a reasonable excuse. Guess what, there is NOT an excuse! Yeah...they will be on TV again this weekend and work the NCAA tourney, but do not know the freakin rules!

I guess it is WHO you know and not WHAT you know...

[Rich]

I'd close the thread as a worthless expenditure of hot air, but quite frankly I'm really entertained by it.

BTW, I loved John Adams's response. He gave the OP more attention than he was due, IMO.