Possible CE, MN/MSU

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This happen to me last post season where there was a loose ball foul called and I initially was going to send the fouled player to the line. Then my partner quickly came over and said, "They were in TC right?" The light bulb came on and we put the ball at the out of bounds spot. We did not use 2-10, it was making sure we applied the rule properly. That was not done here and 2-14 (I believe) was not used.

Since you "fixed" the problem before the FTs, it wasn't a CE situation.

In this game, the FT's were shot, so it was a CE situation (or at least a potential CE situation -- maybe that's your point)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Since you "fixed" the problem before the FTs, it wasn't a CE situation.

In this game, the FT's were shot, so it was a CE situation (or at least a potential CE situation -- maybe that's your point)

No, the point is they applied a rule inproperly. They could have corrected it, but they did not.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No, the point is they applied a rule inproperly. They could have corrected it, but they did not.

Peace

So if they don't correct it, it isn't a correctable error?

If a guy takes 7 steps with no whistle, it wasn't a travel?

[johnny d]

if they had corrected the error of awarding an unmerited free throw, they should have also ignored the foul on the msu player during the free throw as it was not intentional or flagrant.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnny d

if they had corrected the error of awarding an unmerited free throw, they should have also ignored the foul on the msu player during the free throw as it was not intentional or flagrant.

Not the case, do you know why?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is a misapplication of the rules, not a correctable error per say.

No matter how you dice it, this is just incorrect.

[afsst]

Originally Posted by johnny d

if they had corrected the error of awarding an unmerited free throw, they should have also ignored the foul on the msu player during the free throw as it was not intentional or flagrant.

Incorrect statement...as soon as the ball came off the rim (and would not score) the free throw ended, so the foul would be counted.

[Camron Rust]

That was a correctable error that went uncorrected. The fact that it didn't get corrected doesn't change what it was.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by afsst

Incorrect statement...as soon as the ball came off the rim (and would not score) the free throw ended, so the foul would be counted.

And what actions would you have done to 'correct' the original error at this point?

This is one of most stupidly written and applied rules in the book.

I have this situation where the wrong shooter shot and we wiped out the rebounding foul. Don't feel bad about doing it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by afsst

As soon as the ball came off the rim (and would not score) the free throw ended, so the foul would be counted.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This is one of most stupidly written and applied rules in the book. I have this situation where the wrong shooter shot and we wiped out the rebounding foul.

2-10-4: If the error is a free throw by the wrong player or at the wrong
basket, or the awarding of an unmerited free throw, the free throw and the activity
during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, shall be
canceled.

This part of the correctable error rule always seems to confuse me. Could someone please provide a scenario in which a common foul would be canceled during the unmerited free throw.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

"Awarding an unmerited FT" is a CE.

So, is this another one of those CE situation where we blame a coach for not 'pointing it out' to us.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

2-10-4: If the error is a free throw by the wrong player or at the wrong
basket, or the awarding of an unmerited free throw, the free throw and the activity
during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, shall be
canceled.

This part of the correctable error rule always seems to confuse me. Could someone please provide a scenario in which a common foul would be canceled during the unmerited free throw.

A1 goes to the line for an unmerited 1-1. While the ball is bouncing on the rim, A3 pushes B4 to get the rebound. The table now notifies the officials that the foul was B's 6th.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While the ball is bouncing on the rim, A3 pushes B4 to get the rebound.

Cool. Since the ball is bouncing on the rim, and has a chance to go in, the free throw has not ended. I think that I got a question about a situation like this, but on a play where the free throw had already ended, wrong on a recent IAABO Refresher Exam. Thanks.

[afsst]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And what actions would you have done to 'correct' the original error at this point?

This is one of most stupidly written and applied rules in the book.

I have this situation where the wrong shooter shot and we wiped out the rebounding foul. Don't feel bad about doing it.

I don't agree with making up rules to suit my personal opinion about a rule. That's a slippery slope. Were your partners happy about wiping out the rebounding foul? If so, now you have three officials on the court that have decided they will interpret the rules to suit themselves. Not a good situation.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And what actions would you have done to 'correct' the original error at this point?

This is one of most stupidly written and applied rules in the book.

I have this situation where the wrong shooter shot and we wiped out the rebounding foul. Don't feel bad about doing it.

Instead of the foul on the rebound, let's say the rebounding team advanced the ball down the court and scored at which time the error was recognized. Would you have cancelled the basket?