Travel or Not?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

This might be true at levels where every possession is watched on film and nitpicked.

At the high school level, at least in my experience, having too fine a filter on traveling will make you "that guy" (the traveling guy) really quickly.

That said, I don't have the view of the official on the court -- from there, I may have clearly seen a travel and called it. I can only go with the look I'm given, which is the video.

I am not trying to be funny by saying this, but isn't this play being shown from a regular run of the mill high school game? So whether we like it, every game is on video and someone is going to nitpick these games and calls we make or do not make. Maybe we do not have 10 angles to show this play, but we still have those that will nitpick any play they deem important. And yes, coaches do nitpick every possession, especially when they think that call cost them something or and opportunity. It might have even been a possession that changed the momentum in their mind.

I get not wanting to be "That guy" but those days of hiding are over. Everyone has a camera.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not trying to be funny by saying this, but isn't this play being shown from a regular run of the mill high school game? So whether we like it, every game is on video and someone is going to nitpick these games and calls we make or do not make. Maybe we do not have 10 angles to show this play, but we still have those that will nitpick any play they deem important. And yes, coaches do nitpick every possession, especially when they think that call cost them something or and opportunity. It might have even been a possession that changed the momentum in their mind.

I get not wanting to be "That guy" but those days of hiding are over. Everyone has a camera.

Peace

Saying that one is hiding by making a conscious choice to not call over-technical violations of the rules is completely silly.

If you remember correctly, I had a game video posted on here a few years ago that didn't put us in the best possible light. Fortunately, most of that was on my partner, not on me. I'm well aware everyone has a camera.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Saying that one is hiding by making a conscious choice to not call over-technical violations of the rules is completely silly.

If you remember correctly, I had a game video posted on here a few years ago that didn't put us in the best possible light. Fortunately, most of that was on my partner, not on me. I'm well aware everyone has a camera.

I am not calling this a violation, I think the left foot hit first technically. I also think the ball handler did not demonstrate possession until really the left foot actually touched. Touching IMO proceeds possession. I was just stating that if this play is broken down this way, what makes you think that a lot of plays like this are not broken down? I have some assignor friends who talk about the videos they get sent to them by coaches.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not calling this a violation, I think the left foot hit first technically. I also think the ball handler did not demonstrate possession until really the left foot actually touched. Touching IMO proceeds possession. I was just stating that if this play is broken down this way, what makes you think that a lot of plays like this are not broken down? I have some assignor friends who talk about the videos they get sent to them by coaches.

Peace

Sometime it seems that, when it comes to traveling, you're watching a different video than everyone else.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sometime it seems that, when it comes to traveling, you're watching a different video than everyone else.

Actually I commented on what others were saying. I also do not think there was control. I do not care what others see. I just know I am not calling this play a travel. Again if you have to slow video down to make a determination, to me that is not a good call to make.

Peace

[Raymond]

I officiate all my games now assuming that it is getting recorded. Last spring a video popped up on YouTube titled the next Jeremy Lin. I go to view it and I'm in there about 3 or 4 times

[bainsey]

This one?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually I commented on what others were saying. I also do not think there was control. I do not care what others see. I just know I am not calling this play a travel. Again if you have to slow video down to make a determination, to me that is not a good call to make.

Peace

Not saying this will get called but you usually don't deem there to be control until they've held it for 3-4 seconds.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not saying this will get called but you usually don't deem there to be control until they've held it for 3-4 seconds.

Not sure what seconds have to do with my point, I just think it is like football you have to bring the ball into your body to really demonstrate some control or something similar while moving and catching the ball. I believe I showed a video on this site where a player touched the ball with one foot on the floor but most here did not consider control until that foot left the floor. Again that is why it is called judgment and we all do not share the very same level or have the same philosophies to cover these plays.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sometime it seems that, when it comes to traveling, you're watching a different video than everyone else.

Camron:

I am one that has no qualms with calling traveling not matter the level or time of game and I am going with Rut on this one. Whether or not A1 had control of the ball when he landed, in real time, his foot work was just too close to call it anything but landing simultaneously.

MTD, Sr.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Camron:

I am one that has no qualms with calling traveling not matter the level or time of game and I am going with Rut on this one. Whether or not A1 had control of the ball when he landed, in real time, his foot work was just too close to call it anything but landing simultaneously.

MTD, Sr.

Agree...just referencing the many travel posts in the past that were not so close but he still used the same argument. He just doesn't consider it control until they have held the ball for a long time.

[just another ref]

Like others, first I thought it wasn't, then, after slow motion, I'm sure it was. I'm reasonably sure I wouldn't have caught it on the court. I have no problem with making a call that nobody else in the gym saw.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Like others, first I thought it wasn't, then, after slow motion, I'm sure it was. I'm reasonably sure I wouldn't have caught it on the court. I have no problem with making a call that nobody else in the gym saw.

I had a foul call the other night as Center opposite table on an OOB call the Lead was giving to the defense. My whistle caught everyone by surprise. Got a video of the game a couple days later with camera on my side of court and I absolutely got the call right.

Sometimes our angle is only one that can see the play clearly.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

sometimes our angle is only one that can see the play clearly.

+1

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I have no problem with making a call that nobody else in the gym saw.

Nor do I. But if I make it, it's because I'm 110% sure of it.