Travel or Not?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Like others, first I thought it wasn't, then, after slow motion, I'm sure it was. I'm reasonably sure I wouldn't have caught it on the court. I have no problem with making a call that nobody else in the gym saw.

I had a foul call the other night as Center opposite table on an OOB call the Lead was giving to the defense. My whistle caught everyone by surprise. Got a video of the game a couple days later with camera on my side of court and I absolutely got the call right.

Sometimes our angle is only one that can see the play clearly.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I have no problem with making a call that nobody else in the gym saw.

Nor do I. But if I make it, it's because I'm 110% sure of it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

sometimes our angle is only one that can see the play clearly.

+1

[Rich]

Originally Posted by maroonx

OMG!! Is that what happens when you have 24 years under your belt? Start name calling. Your 24 years you can't be a better human being. So sad!! I must of said something that made you wet your Depends

One thing that isn't going be tolerated around here are personal attacks.

So have a nice Christmas and come back in a few days and we'll see if you can act nicely around here.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually I commented on what others were saying. I also do not think there was control. I do not care what others see. I just know I am not calling this play a travel. Again if you have to slow video down to make a determination, to me that is not a good call to make.

Peace

Not saying this will get called but you usually don't deem there to be control until they've held it for 3-4 seconds.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Camron:

I am one that has no qualms with calling traveling not matter the level or time of game and I am going with Rut on this one. Whether or not A1 had control of the ball when he landed, in real time, his foot work was just too close to call it anything but landing simultaneously.

MTD, Sr.

Agree...just referencing the many travel posts in the past that were not so close but he still used the same argument. He just doesn't consider it control until they have held the ball for a long time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not saying this will get called but you usually don't deem there to be control until they've held it for 3-4 seconds.

Not sure what seconds have to do with my point, I just think it is like football you have to bring the ball into your body to really demonstrate some control or something similar while moving and catching the ball. I believe I showed a video on this site where a player touched the ball with one foot on the floor but most here did not consider control until that foot left the floor. Again that is why it is called judgment and we all do not share the very same level or have the same philosophies to cover these plays.

Peace

[just another ref]

I see control when the ball hits the player in his two hands and sticks there, which is what happened in this video, followed by his landing with a 1,2,3 count. The travel actually had nothing to do with the release of the dribble.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not sure what seconds have to do with my point, I just think it is like football you have to bring the ball into your body to really demonstrate some control or something similar while moving and catching the ball. I believe I showed a video on this site where a player touched the ball with one foot on the floor but most here did not consider control until that foot left the floor. Again that is why it is called judgment and we all do not share the very same level or have the same philosophies to cover these plays.

Peace

Unfortunately, this isn't football and nowhere have I ever heard such an interpretation except from you.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Unfortunately, this isn't football and nowhere have I ever heard such an interpretation except from you.

I did not say what it was an interpretation. Don't read too much into a person's take on a play. Just telling you how I determine when someone clearly has possession. If you think I am the only one that tires to find things to make a judgement, then you need to talk to more officials. And I believe I showed a video on this site where people basically drew a similar conclusion.

Pivot foot discussion

Peace

[refiator]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Like others, first I thought it wasn't, then, after slow motion, I'm sure it was. .

If you think it happened, it probably didn't, so hold your whistle. Unfortunately, we don't have the advantage of replay....However. even in slow motion, I don't see a need to call this one, since I don't think it happened. Just me. Others may differ.

[AKOFL]

that is a close one. real time is very hard to call. that close, any doubt goes to the player. not calling that one

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by refiator

If you think it happened, it probably didn't, so hold your whistle. Unfortunately, we don't have the advantage of replay.

If I think it happened, it probably did, but probably isn't good enough. Without a high degree of certainty I will hold the whistle. A common saying is that it is better to miss one than call one incorrectly. I agree. But there is a line to be drawn somewhere. I'd rather call one incorrectly than miss ten.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If I think it happened, it probably did, but probably isn't good enough. Without a high degree of certainty I will hold the whistle. A common saying is that it is better to miss one than call one incorrectly. I agree. But there is a line to be drawn somewhere. I'd rather call one incorrectly than miss ten.

I would rather miss plays like this where I have to see slow motion replay than call one that clearly did not happen. I want to get the obvious ones. It is that simple and that is the line. And that does not apply to just traveling either. Fouls, carry, back court, 10 second and lane violations. I want everyone to basically say, "Yeah, he traveled."

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I want to get the obvious ones.

We are expected to get the obvious ones. That is a given. But I expect to get some that are not obvious. If I call one correctly that most people have to look at a replay to verify, that is a good call. If we only call the obvious, we are probably not calling enough.

I want everyone to basically say, "Yeah, he traveled."

There is a huge problem with this. It is not uncommon for everyone to say so when it wasn't a travel.