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APG Mon Dec 24, 2012 09:47am

Travel or Not?
 
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Or rather would you call this or not?

Rich Mon Dec 24, 2012 09:52am

Doesn't look like the left foot ever moves after he gets possession. No travel.

Indianaref Mon Dec 24, 2012 09:52am

In regular time, it's hard to see actually which foot is the pivot. In slow motion, the right is the pivot as it's the first to come down after control is established, he picks up the right before ball is released on a dribble...yes on travel.

maroonx Mon Dec 24, 2012 09:53am

Travel or not
 
Close call. Not a travel. Left foot pivot. I was looking for the bunny hop on that foot. Did not see it.

Rich Mon Dec 24, 2012 09:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 868440)
In regular time, it's hard to see actually which foot is the pivot. In slow motion, the right is the pivot as it's the first to come down after control is established, he picks up the right before ball is released on a dribble...yes on travel.

Yes, I see that now.

Quite frankly, I think it's too nitpicky, regardless. Unlikely I would have a travel there.

Indianaref Mon Dec 24, 2012 09:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 868442)
Yes, I see that now.

Quite frankly, I think it's too nitpicky, regardless. Unlikely I would have a travel there.

Yes, I'm not calling here either.

bainsey Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:12am

I had the left foot as the pivot, but Indiana's comment made me take another look. Indeed, the right came down first, and therefore was the pivot. He hopped on his right = travel.

Still, I think the official saw the left as the pivot, which he kept down until the dribble started.

maroonx Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:13am

Travel or not
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 868442)
Yes, I see that now.

Quite frankly, I think it's too nitpicky, regardless. Unlikely I would have a travel there.

Why not call it?

JRutledge Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:19am

I cannot see the travel at all. The left foot seems to be the pivot foot and that did not move until the ball was put on the floor for the dribble. I think the official anticipated.

Peace

Rich Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:23am

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Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 868448)
Why not call it?

If I need 5 views of a YouTube video just to tell which foot is the pivot foot, it's unlikely I see it in real time. On top of that, if I'm trying to call it this fine, one of two things happen:

(1) I'm the only person in the gym who sees the travel. What good is it for me to be the ONLY person to see it and call it? If the one team is pissed that I called it and the other team thinks they've just gotten a huge break, why did I call it in the first place?

(2) More importantly, if I set my filter this low, it means I'm much more likely to call a travel that isn't really a travel.

maroonx Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:23am

Travel or not
 
Thats good reason not to call a violation.

Raymond Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:36am

I got right foot down, left foot in air when possession is gained. Left foot is put down then right foot is lifted and re-planted before dribble is started.

JugglingReferee Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:37am

The official was correct. He only needed to see it once in real time. It's a travel. Would I call it even though I needed the slow motion version, to verify, after the real-time clip? If I am able to catch it, quite likely yes I would.

maroonx Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:40am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 868453)
If I need 5 views of a YouTube video just to tell which foot is the pivot foot, it's unlikely I see it in real time. On top of that, if I'm trying to call it this fine, one of two things happen:

(1) I'm the only person in the gym who sees the travel. What good is it for me to be the ONLY person to see it and call it? If the one team is pissed that I called it and the other team thinks they've just gotten a huge break, why did I call it in the first place?

(2) More importantly, if I set my filter this low, it means I'm much more likely to call a travel that isn't really a travel.


It only takes 1 video. Officials are to call the game regardless of score, situation. If you are the only person in the gym who sees it, that's a good thing.

JugglingReferee Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 868459)
It only takes 1 video. Officials are to call the game regardless of score, situation. If you are the only person in the gym who sees it, that's a good thing.

I don't agree with this in all cases. Blowout, losing team in BC travels at start of dribble. No pressure. I might conveniently miss this one.


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