Travel or Not?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by maroonx

... If you are the only person in the gym who sees it, that's a good thing.

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I don't agree with this in all cases.

Jugs is correct, but I think that is something you worry about as you rise up the chain. At the beginning of your career call what you see and hopefully you have good mentors and observers to help you start filtering.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by maroonx

It only takes 1 video. Officials are to call the game regardless of score, situation. If you are the only person in the gym who sees it, that's a good thing.

This might be true at levels where every possession is watched on film and nitpicked.

At the high school level, at least in my experience, having too fine a filter on traveling will make you "that guy" (the traveling guy) really quickly.

That said, I don't have the view of the official on the court -- from there, I may have clearly seen a travel and called it. I can only go with the look I'm given, which is the video.

[BktBallRef]

Yes, the right foot is the pivot as it touches the floor first after he catches the pass.

No, as good as I am, I would not catch that.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

MTD, Jr., and I watched this play together. When watching it in real time W1 caught the ball while both feet were in the air and landed with both feet touching the court simultaneously. W1's momentum caused most of his weight to be on his left foot and he continued his movement by lifting his right foot to start a cross over move; this is not traveling. Even in slow motion it does not look like traveling.

MTD, Sr.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by maroonx

It only takes 1 video. Officials are to call the game regardless of score, situation. If you are the only person in the gym who sees it, that's a good thing.

Let me guess. You've been officiating 5 years or less.


No one is served by calling over technical rules violations. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you'll become the best official you can be.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Let me guess. You've been officiating 5 years or less.


No one is served by calling over technical rules violations. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you'll become the best official you can be.

That's what I was going to guess -- especially given the "POI" thread.

[maroonx]

I read it somewhere. Once I find it I will share.

[maroonx]

As many years as you is my answer. Happy Holidays.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

This might be true at levels where every possession is watched on film and nitpicked.

At the high school level, at least in my experience, having too fine a filter on traveling will make you "that guy" (the traveling guy) really quickly.

That said, I don't have the view of the official on the court -- from there, I may have clearly seen a travel and called it. I can only go with the look I'm given, which is the video.

I am not trying to be funny by saying this, but isn't this play being shown from a regular run of the mill high school game? So whether we like it, every game is on video and someone is going to nitpick these games and calls we make or do not make. Maybe we do not have 10 angles to show this play, but we still have those that will nitpick any play they deem important. And yes, coaches do nitpick every possession, especially when they think that call cost them something or and opportunity. It might have even been a possession that changed the momentum in their mind.

I get not wanting to be "That guy" but those days of hiding are over. Everyone has a camera.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not trying to be funny by saying this, but isn't this play being shown from a regular run of the mill high school game? So whether we like it, every game is on video and someone is going to nitpick these games and calls we make or do not make. Maybe we do not have 10 angles to show this play, but we still have those that will nitpick any play they deem important. And yes, coaches do nitpick every possession, especially when they think that call cost them something or and opportunity. It might have even been a possession that changed the momentum in their mind.

I get not wanting to be "That guy" but those days of hiding are over. Everyone has a camera.

Peace

Saying that one is hiding by making a conscious choice to not call over-technical violations of the rules is completely silly.

If you remember correctly, I had a game video posted on here a few years ago that didn't put us in the best possible light. Fortunately, most of that was on my partner, not on me. I'm well aware everyone has a camera.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by maroonx

As many years as you is my answer. Happy Holidays.

You're quickly getting the reputation of being the latest troll to come around these parts. I guess time will tell if you are or if you aren't.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

MTD, Jr., and I watched this play together. When watching it in real time W1 caught the ball while both feet were in the air and landed with both feet touching the court simultaneously. W1's momentum caused most of his weight to be on his left foot and he continued his movement by lifting his right foot to start a cross over move; this is not traveling. Even in slow motion it does not look like traveling.

MTD, Sr.

I do not think its physically possible to come down heel-toe with both feet simultaneously(in this play there is a slight enough gap to look simultaneous at real time).

[maroonx]

Sometimes you can't be the first one to crack open a beer. I am calling it.

[Camron Rust]

On first view, I had no travel. Only upon watching the slow-mo 2-3 times was I sure there was a travel. So, yes, it is a travel, but it isn't one that I'd expect most people to see, much less call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Saying that one is hiding by making a conscious choice to not call over-technical violations of the rules is completely silly.

If you remember correctly, I had a game video posted on here a few years ago that didn't put us in the best possible light. Fortunately, most of that was on my partner, not on me. I'm well aware everyone has a camera.

I am not calling this a violation, I think the left foot hit first technically. I also think the ball handler did not demonstrate possession until really the left foot actually touched. Touching IMO proceeds possession. I was just stating that if this play is broken down this way, what makes you think that a lot of plays like this are not broken down? I have some assignor friends who talk about the videos they get sent to them by coaches.

Peace