Travel or Not?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by maroonx

It only takes 1 video. Officials are to call the game regardless of score, situation. If you are the only person in the gym who sees it, that's a good thing.

This might be true at levels where every possession is watched on film and nitpicked.

At the high school level, at least in my experience, having too fine a filter on traveling will make you "that guy" (the traveling guy) really quickly.

That said, I don't have the view of the official on the court -- from there, I may have clearly seen a travel and called it. I can only go with the look I'm given, which is the video.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

MTD, Jr., and I watched this play together. When watching it in real time W1 caught the ball while both feet were in the air and landed with both feet touching the court simultaneously. W1's momentum caused most of his weight to be on his left foot and he continued his movement by lifting his right foot to start a cross over move; this is not traveling. Even in slow motion it does not look like traveling.

MTD, Sr.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

MTD, Jr., and I watched this play together. When watching it in real time W1 caught the ball while both feet were in the air and landed with both feet touching the court simultaneously. W1's momentum caused most of his weight to be on his left foot and he continued his movement by lifting his right foot to start a cross over move; this is not traveling. Even in slow motion it does not look like traveling.

MTD, Sr.

I do not think its physically possible to come down heel-toe with both feet simultaneously(in this play there is a slight enough gap to look simultaneous at real time).

[maroonx]

Sometimes you can't be the first one to crack open a beer. I am calling it.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Sometimes you can't be the first one to crack open a beer.

Just 'cause I'm curious, what does this mean?

[Camron Rust]

On first view, I had no travel. Only upon watching the slow-mo 2-3 times was I sure there was a travel. So, yes, it is a travel, but it isn't one that I'd expect most people to see, much less call.

[Adam]

I probably would have called it, but I'm not convinced I should have. Yes, it's a travel, but I agree that it happens pretty quick and it's one of those that doesn't really need to be called. I'd prefer these get called, but I have no desire to be a pioneer.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

This might be true at levels where every possession is watched on film and nitpicked.

At the high school level, at least in my experience, having too fine a filter on traveling will make you "that guy" (the traveling guy) really quickly.

That said, I don't have the view of the official on the court -- from there, I may have clearly seen a travel and called it. I can only go with the look I'm given, which is the video.

I am not trying to be funny by saying this, but isn't this play being shown from a regular run of the mill high school game? So whether we like it, every game is on video and someone is going to nitpick these games and calls we make or do not make. Maybe we do not have 10 angles to show this play, but we still have those that will nitpick any play they deem important. And yes, coaches do nitpick every possession, especially when they think that call cost them something or and opportunity. It might have even been a possession that changed the momentum in their mind.

I get not wanting to be "That guy" but those days of hiding are over. Everyone has a camera.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not trying to be funny by saying this, but isn't this play being shown from a regular run of the mill high school game? So whether we like it, every game is on video and someone is going to nitpick these games and calls we make or do not make. Maybe we do not have 10 angles to show this play, but we still have those that will nitpick any play they deem important. And yes, coaches do nitpick every possession, especially when they think that call cost them something or and opportunity. It might have even been a possession that changed the momentum in their mind.

I get not wanting to be "That guy" but those days of hiding are over. Everyone has a camera.

Peace

Saying that one is hiding by making a conscious choice to not call over-technical violations of the rules is completely silly.

If you remember correctly, I had a game video posted on here a few years ago that didn't put us in the best possible light. Fortunately, most of that was on my partner, not on me. I'm well aware everyone has a camera.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Saying that one is hiding by making a conscious choice to not call over-technical violations of the rules is completely silly.

If you remember correctly, I had a game video posted on here a few years ago that didn't put us in the best possible light. Fortunately, most of that was on my partner, not on me. I'm well aware everyone has a camera.

I am not calling this a violation, I think the left foot hit first technically. I also think the ball handler did not demonstrate possession until really the left foot actually touched. Touching IMO proceeds possession. I was just stating that if this play is broken down this way, what makes you think that a lot of plays like this are not broken down? I have some assignor friends who talk about the videos they get sent to them by coaches.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not calling this a violation, I think the left foot hit first technically. I also think the ball handler did not demonstrate possession until really the left foot actually touched. Touching IMO proceeds possession. I was just stating that if this play is broken down this way, what makes you think that a lot of plays like this are not broken down? I have some assignor friends who talk about the videos they get sent to them by coaches.

Peace

Sometime it seems that, when it comes to traveling, you're watching a different video than everyone else.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sometime it seems that, when it comes to traveling, you're watching a different video than everyone else.

Actually I commented on what others were saying. I also do not think there was control. I do not care what others see. I just know I am not calling this play a travel. Again if you have to slow video down to make a determination, to me that is not a good call to make.

Peace

[Raymond]

I officiate all my games now assuming that it is getting recorded. Last spring a video popped up on YouTube titled the next Jeremy Lin. I go to view it and I'm in there about 3 or 4 times

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually I commented on what others were saying. I also do not think there was control. I do not care what others see. I just know I am not calling this play a travel. Again if you have to slow video down to make a determination, to me that is not a good call to make.

Peace

Not saying this will get called but you usually don't deem there to be control until they've held it for 3-4 seconds.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sometime it seems that, when it comes to traveling, you're watching a different video than everyone else.

Camron:

I am one that has no qualms with calling traveling not matter the level or time of game and I am going with Rut on this one. Whether or not A1 had control of the ball when he landed, in real time, his foot work was just too close to call it anything but landing simultaneously.

MTD, Sr.