Coach's leash

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I agree the 'sit down and be quiet' response was probably not appropriate, but what would most here advise he should have done? I'm assuming a simple 'that's enough coach' with a stop sign would be sufficient?

He already said, "That's enough coach" with his hands when he put them together into a T. He needs say nothing else. If the guy earns another T on his own after that - hopefully it comes from partner, but it doesn't have to.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

And I also like for someone else to toss him after one official has issued the first T. That way you reduce the appearance of it being personal.

Originally Posted by OKREF

...We as well would not prefer to have the same official give both T's in any situation...

"Hey partner, he is coming on the court, calling me a MFer, but I gave him the first T. Can you give him the second? Please?"

If a coach comes after me and it is personal, I will handle my own business. I will allow any of my partners to do the same if a coach comes after them.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Not too quick for the second. I have no problem calling both myself, too. Take care of business.

+1

Originally Posted by APG

I think people take the not giving two T's to a coach back to back too far...

+1,000,000

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I agree the 'sit down and be quiet' response was probably not appropriate, but what would most here advise he should have done? I'm assuming a simple 'that's enough coach' with a stop sign would be sufficient?

And there we have it...the answer to the entire situation. Flash the almighty stop sign and things fall right back into place. Sure, I give "the hand" to other adults all the time and they just accept that and stop what they are doing. My wife gives me "the hand" and I stop. Nope, that isn't something that would make the situation worse at all.

[APG]

I think people take the not giving two T's to a coach back to back too far. Of course, in an ideal world, maybe the other official gets the 2nd T, but if the coach crosses the line a 2nd time while you're there and before your partner(s) is/are in position to handle the coach, then sometimes you'll have to be the one to give the walking paper unless you want to give the coach a free pass.

As to this situation, the calling official may have set off the 2nd T by telling the coach to "sit down and be quiet." That tantamount to tell tell him to sit down and shut up and while he/she is required to sit down, one should probably let the calling official handle seat belt responsibilities for the coach while the calling official moves away from the area.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

I think people take the not giving two T's to a coach back to back too far. Of course, in an ideal world, maybe the other official gets the 2nd T, but if the coach crosses the line a 2nd time while you're there and before your partner(s) is/are in position to handle the coach, then sometimes you'll have to be the one to give the walking paper unless you want to give the coach a free pass.

As to this situation, the calling official may have set off the 2nd T by telling the coach to "sit down and be quiet." That tantamount to tell tell him to sit down and shut up and while he/she is required to sit down, one should probably let the calling official handle seat belt responsibilities for the coach while the calling official moves away from the area.

This is a great point.

Also in my experience usually that kind of language is not acceptable to school administrators (above the AD for sure) and do not like their school to have adults act in ways that is outside of the mission of the education system. Of course you can have schools that take their famdom too far, but often I have found that kind of behavior is not what a school wants to represent. And if that was in the report that a coach cursed like that, it would get a lot of coaches in big trouble in this environment we live today. Maybe 20 years ago no one would have made a stink over this, but not today.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by OKREF

coach you need to sit down and be quiet. Coach says "That's bullsh*t". Coach gets his second.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Not too quick for the second. I have no problem calling both myself, too. Take care of business.

Exactly what language was used here?

As for the subsequent physical contact... there's a whole other box of worms. In FIBA, the new HC is stuck with a T as well - and 6 shots coming.

This was what the official said. The coach was talking the whole time between the first and second T's. His last statement before the 2nd was "That's bullsh*t".

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by OKREF

This was what the official said. The coach was talking the whole time between the first and second T's. His last statement before the 2nd was "That's bullsh*t".

He shouldn't say that. Let the coach hang himself.

[keith_15]

Ahhh, the old "sit down and shut up" trick. That really never works like you want it to. Remember, whatever you say to a coach should be short and sweet - a one liner. The other prerequisite is that whatever you say should be the end of the conversation.

[BillyMac]

Charge the first deserved technical foul. Noncalling partner should attempt to sit him down. "Bull****" gets him the second deserved technical foul, hopefully from the partner, but let's not split hairs. Hope he enjoys his cold seat on the bus.

Originally Posted by OKREF

Trail calls foul on the floor ... Trail says no, on the floor.

Officials never use the phrase, "on the floor". Either the player is in the act of shooting, or he's not in the act of shooting. The proper call here really doesn't depend on whether, or not, he's on the floor.