Coach's leash

[JRutledge]

No. And if he did tell him to "sit down and shut up" on some level, it is still up to the coach to act professionally and not use inappropriate language. And saying "That's bull$!t" is usually going to get you stuck by many officials. Just because the official did not use the proper procedure does not excuse bad or unsporting behavior. I would talk to the official if I was an evaluator about that interaction, but when coaches roll the dice, they might just crap out with the wrong official.

Peace

[just another ref]

I actually had a very similar situation last year. GV coach, standing on the X screaming about a foul call. I calmly made the T signal as I arrived to report the foul. After lingering for a few seconds continuing to protest, as she turned back to the bench, the coach said "Bullsh....." The end of the word kinda trailed off. It didn't seem that loud to me, but I learned later that people across the gym heard it. I think it was more shock than anything else (I can't believe she actually said that) but I didn't call anything else. I tried, unsuccessfully, to justify it to myself by saying it was all part of the same incident, but my final opinion, then and now, is that failure to toss this coach at that point was the worst mistake I made all year.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No. And if he did tell him to "sit down and shut up" on some level, it is still up to the coach to act professionally and not use inappropriate language. And saying "That's bull$!t" is usually going to get you stuck by many officials. Just because the official did not use the proper procedure does not excuse bad or unsporting behavior. I would talk to the official if I was an evaluator about that interaction, but when coaches roll the dice, they might just crap out with the wrong official.

Peace

Since this is an official's forum, we talk about things that officials do and try to devise ways to do them better or handle situations more effectively. Of course coaches should act professionally...no said they shouldn't. But the calling official did not need to make the comment that was made and all it did was to make the situation worse...would the coach have still been tossed without that comment being made? Probably...but that isn't the point.

[ballgame99]

I agree the 'sit down and be quiet' response was probably not appropriate, but what would most here advise he should have done? I'm assuming a simple 'that's enough coach' with a stop sign would be sufficient?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I agree the 'sit down and be quiet' response was probably not appropriate, but what would most here advise he should have done? I'm assuming a simple 'that's enough coach' with a stop sign would be sufficient?

Official who issued the first T should have gotten out of there and his partner should have told the coach any version of, "Coach you've lost the box for the rest of the game and need to have a seat."

Sounds like this Coach would have been tossed regardless but I think we should always be looking at potential learning moments and the best ways to handle situations.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I agree the 'sit down and be quiet' response was probably not appropriate, but what would most here advise he should have done? I'm assuming a simple 'that's enough coach' with a stop sign would be sufficient?

Too late for "that's enough" as he already has been T'd up. Saying nothing is probably the best thing to do and if the coach continues with his diatribe then a 2nd 'T' would be my next action.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I agree the 'sit down and be quiet' response was probably not appropriate, but what would most here advise he should have done? I'm assuming a simple 'that's enough coach' with a stop sign would be sufficient?

He already said, "That's enough coach" with his hands when he put them together into a T. He needs say nothing else. If the guy earns another T on his own after that - hopefully it comes from partner, but it doesn't have to.

[twocentsworth]

The official was right to give the 2nd T and eject.....

Based on the OP, the coach was right to complain about the shot being waved off. The determining factor is NOT the # of steps after the foul is called....the shot begins once the player gathers the ball in his/her natural shooting motion.

BOTH official AND coach were each wrong in the situation described.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by OKREF

A1 drives to basket, Trail calls push on B1, after whistle A1 takes another dribble and shoots.

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The official was right to give the 2nd T and eject.....

Based on the OP, the coach was right to complain about the shot being waved off. The determining factor is NOT the # of steps after the foul is called....the shot begins once the player gathers the ball in his/her natural shooting motion.

BOTH official AND coach were each wrong in the situation described.

Am I missing something? Ball hadn't been gathered and coach was completely wrong start to finish. (with the exception of official's word choice)

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The official was right to give the 2nd T and eject.....

Based on the OP, the coach was right to complain about the shot being waved off. The determining factor is NOT the # of steps after the foul is called....the shot begins once the player gathers the ball in his/her natural shooting motion.

BOTH official AND coach were each wrong in the situation described.

Good grief...the OP says the player TOOK ANOTHER DRIBBLE!!

Wrong.

Just. Wrong.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The official was right to give the 2nd T and eject.....

Based on the OP, the coach was right to complain about the shot being waved off. The determining factor is NOT the # of steps after the foul is called....the shot begins once the player gathers the ball in his/her natural shooting motion.

BOTH official AND coach were each wrong in the situation described.

Do yourself a favor and read the OP again. I've never seen a player dribble after he gathered for a shot.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The official was right to give the 2nd T and eject.....

Based on the OP, the coach was right to complain about the shot being waved off. The determining factor is NOT the # of steps after the foul is called....the shot begins once the player gathers the ball in his/her natural shooting motion.

BOTH official AND coach were each wrong in the situation described.

Wrong. Try again. Reading is fundamental.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

And I also like for someone else to toss him after one official has issued the first T. That way you reduce the appearance of it being personal.

Originally Posted by OKREF

...We as well would not prefer to have the same official give both T's in any situation...

"Hey partner, he is coming on the court, calling me a MFer, but I gave him the first T. Can you give him the second? Please?"

If a coach comes after me and it is personal, I will handle my own business. I will allow any of my partners to do the same if a coach comes after them.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Not too quick for the second. I have no problem calling both myself, too. Take care of business.

+1

Originally Posted by APG

I think people take the not giving two T's to a coach back to back too far...

+1,000,000

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I agree the 'sit down and be quiet' response was probably not appropriate, but what would most here advise he should have done? I'm assuming a simple 'that's enough coach' with a stop sign would be sufficient?

And there we have it...the answer to the entire situation. Flash the almighty stop sign and things fall right back into place. Sure, I give "the hand" to other adults all the time and they just accept that and stop what they are doing. My wife gives me "the hand" and I stop. Nope, that isn't something that would make the situation worse at all.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by tomegun

"Hey partner, he is coming on the court, calling me a MFer, but I gave him the first T. Can you give him the second? Please?"

Oh I am so glad I was not taking a drink when I read that. Absolutely agree though, sounds like the coach didn't even pause long enough between 1 and 2 for the official to report and clear out. Seems both that quick from the same guy were easily justified.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by tomegun

"Hey partner, he is coming on the court, calling me a MFer, but I gave him the first T. Can you give him the second? Please?"

If a coach comes after me and it is personal, I will handle my own business. I will allow any of my partners to do the same if a coach comes after them:

maybe I missed a post or two, but I don't think anyone other than twenty wort (which is two cents more than his opinion should be worth) banged on the official for calling both Ts in this situation...general comments about not liking one official to call both maybe, but nothing that rose to the level of needing the evil "roll eyes" smilie!