Pushing defender away with ball?

[just another ref]

Had a short but somewhat spirited discussion on this subject several years ago involving now legendary forum members.

push with ball

[APG]

I think a strict reading would mean this is a technical foul, and I used to subscribe to the philosophy that this is a T or nothing.

If I were presented with this play though now, I'd go with the personal foul.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Had a short but somewhat spirited discussion on this subject several years ago involving now legendary forum members. push with ball

I love quoting great people, here's a good one from the thread:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While a live ball is being held by A-1 in his/her frontcourt:

1) A-1 intentionally throws the ball at B-1's head.

2) A-1, uses the ball to push B-1, to try to gain an advantage by creating some space between himself/herself and the defender, B-1.

What are the correct calls? Personal or technical ? Common, intentional, or flagrant ? Do the calls change if A-1 is an inbounder ?

This post never got answered. Is the microphone on?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While a live ball is being held by A-1 in his/her frontcourt:

1) A-1 intentionally throws the ball at B-1's head.

2) A-1, uses the ball to push B-1, to try to gain an advantage by creating some space between himself/herself and the defender, B-1.

What are the correct calls? Personal or technical ? Common, intentional, or flagrant ? Do the calls change if A-1 is an inbounder ?

Since you’re being persistent – and I’ve never been accused of acting on things quickly:

In play #1 the description pretty much tells you what to call. It’s at least an IF and quite possibly a flagrant. I don’t think going with a common foul in that case would be an option for me.

In play #2 I’d call a PC. A1 used the ball to create contact that put B1 at a disadvantage.

In either case, A1 being the thrower on an inbounds pass doesn’t make a difference in the call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Since you’re being persistent – and I’ve never been accused of acting on things quickly:

In play #1 the description pretty much tells you what to call. It’s at least an IF and quite possibly a flagrant. I don’t think going with a common foul in that case would be an option for me.

In play #2 I’d call a PC. A1 used the ball to create contact that put B1 at a disadvantage.

In either case, A1 being the thrower on an inbounds pass doesn’t make a difference in the call.

On 1, I'd go with a technical foul, probably flagrant (intentionally at the defender's head.)

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Adam

On 1, I'd go with a technical foul

Not an option. In the OP it's live-ball contact

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Adam

On 1, I'd go with a technical foul, probably flagrant (intentionally at the defender's head.)

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Not an option. In the OP it's live-ball contact

Sorry, I was thinking of Billy's post that you had quoted:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'd like to put similar plays "on the court".

While a live ball is being held by A-1 in his/her frontcourt:

1) A-1 intentionally throws the ball at B-1's head.

2) A-1, uses the ball to push B-1, to try to gain an advantage by creating some space between himself/herself and the defender, B-1.

What are the correct calls? Personal or technical ? Common, intentional, or flagrant ? Do the calls change if A-1 is an inbounder ?

Play 1 here is a technical foul, likely flagrant.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Since you’re being persistent ...

Hey. The question was only posted for seven years. I'm a patient guy. Persistent, but patient. BillyMac, and an elephant, never forget. Now, where are my car keys?